Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chad Williamson

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete due to lack of references in reliable independent publications. Fram (talk) 12:44, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Chad Williamson

Chad Williamson (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) (delete) – (View log)
  • Very nicely written article that seems to reveal a lack of notability in the subject matter. Apart from #6, references are either self-referencing or don't substantiate anything. Possible COI previously noted. Creator Another editor removed prod so seeking wider opinion. tomasz. 21:52, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete as nn indie band, unles "performed internationally" can be verified, or some kind of discography from a label per WP:MUSIC. MrPrada (talk) 05:35, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep I used the library resources at the University of Calgary to bring some clarity to this issue. i also retrieved documents from some of the last six month's local news publications and such. one of my collegues was even able to find an article about performances he did in perth and up north. i also completely changed the article and removed most of user:Soundgallery's editorial language. Journo666 (talk) 09:33, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep Even if that other editor didn't add credibility and notability to the article, I would have argued to keep it, simply due to the fact that the musician is definitely well known, notable, and has performed in both Perth, Western Australia and in Tamarindo Beach, Costa Rica. But now, given the plethora of third-party sources, journo666's copy editing, and the article's current clarity, I urge that this article be kept. Further information will, no doubt, be added one it becomes available. Thanks to Journo666 for his tremendous contribution. I will add more as soon as I can. Regarding the COI concern, I already mentioned that I am not affiliated with the band or any of its members. I'm merely an art student that appreciates good music and journalistic rigour. Soundgallery (talk) 21:04, 28 February 2008 (UTC) Soundgallery (talk) 21:05, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete. Sorry, I know there was a lot of work involved in gathering these references, but I simply don't get any of them, at all. Not a single one establishes notability to me so far. Two of them shows that he has contributed to a few publications which is not significant. This one is a trivial mention of some sort. [1]. Four are self-published refs, .i.e artist's own website. The rest of them, don't link to anything. Is there a reason for that? I don't doubt that those refs exist - but I don't know what they say, if they speak of this subject directly and at length? Are they just trivial mentions? Is there any way to link any of them? And it is noted that this artist is part of the band Sound Gallery. Is there anything to show notability of this band? As of right now, I cannot form an opinion that notability has been established. ♫ Cricket02 (talk) 06:32, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
Additional notes: Artist is not listed at AMG and the article really needs some WP:NPOV cleanup. Also:
  • His solo work stands out, as its contents are performed almost exclusively by him, illustrating his abilities as a multi-instrumentalist.[1][2] Is this a quote from both references?
  • After he released his first two albums, he toured Australia with mixed reviews.[6] He played two seperate performances, one in Perth, Western Australia and another outside Yulara, Northern Territory. I don't really think two performances constitute a "tour".
  • Then, he launched his website featuring his solo works, notes and additional general information.[10][11][12] This is certainly not significant as anyone can launch a website.
  • He currently performs internationally and within Canada as both a solo musician and as the vocalist and guitarist for Sound Gallery.[13] No evidence that the band is notable and info is from a self-ref. Sound Gallery is expected to conduct a general nationwide Canadian tour during the summer months of 2008 and release their first album during the fall.[14] Apparently the band is not notable yet, but while there is no link to the ref, it does assert a tour schedule. Maybe bring the article back after the fact - and then notability would be established per WP:Music.

♫ Cricket02 (talk) 06:55, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

  • What I see here, all things considered, is a person who isn't quite notable yet, but is pretty much sitting right on the cusp. I'm fully prepared to eat my hat if he hasn't gotten himself playlisted on CBC Radio 3 by the end of 2008, for example. Seriously, just about all that needs to happen here is for someone to nominate him as an R3-30 Chartbreaker — that would literally cover off the one single, solitary thing still holding me back from !voting to keep here. Move into userspace as a subpage (either Soundgallery's or mine) that can be moved back into article space if and when — and I'm quite confident that it's a matter of when rather than if — he's cleared the last couple of hurdles. Bearcat (talk) 00:41, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
  • In the interest of full disclosure, I was one of the editors expressing concern about Soundgallery's potential COI here. Still, I would like to comment, since I have put some work into searching for sources for this article. I have found nothing about Williamson or his band in databases that carry articles from such publications as the Calgary Herald, Exclaim!, and Chart. I have the same concerns about the article's references that Cricket02 notes above. Furthermore, it seems to me that the references that might be most likely to carry non-trivial coverage are Ambus Rock Review and Jive Magazine (Calgary), and I have not been able to find any Internet presence of these magazines (see this search for example), or mention of them in other media. (I did find that Ambus Registry Inc. is a telemarketing firm in Calgary that was investigated for deceptive practices.) Sorry but I have to say delete. --Paul Erik (talk)(contribs) 23:51, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
  • COMMENT Given the plethora of information our friendly wikipedia veterans have dug up, and after having heard their various arguments, I tend to agree most with Bearcat. I suggest we move the page to Soundgallery's user page until the band gains the need notoriety. Having done as much research about these guys as I have, I'm honoured that everyone's spent as much time as I have helping to expand and scrutinize the article. Once we have more concrete validation, I will be more than happy to extend my pen toward furthering Mr. Williamson's article. And, always in the nature of full disclosure, I would like to admit that I can't wait to hear the band. Their website is nothing more than a title page. I am eager.Journo666 (talk) 09:39, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Previous Discussion Moved From Article's Talk Page

responded to author bias i posted a response to this concern here accordingly, I have have removed the COI tag.

Additionally, I intend to add more content as soon as I find the time. Further expansion is definitely required. If anyone finds the time, perhaps they could copy edit this to make the language more encyclopedic. Otherwise, I'll do it when I get the opportunity. Soundgallery (talk) 05:15, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

ps If anyone can find more info out about the band, I'd really appreciate a booster. I can't find much. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Soundgallery (talk • contribs) 05:19, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Author Bias just because the author of the article's name is same as the guys band or whatever, doesn't necessarily imply a bias; it could just be someone who decided to that they'd like it as their username...methinks this requires some confirmation from the user himself —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.109.99.2 (talk) 20:04, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Contested Page Deletion (February 24th, 2008)

Third party sources offering validity, notoriety, and encyclopedic significance have been added to address the concerns of Wiki moderators. I hereby contest any and all proposals for deletion, given the article's importance and factual reliability.

user:Soundgallery


Oh...also, I wanted to add that the research for this beast took FOREVER. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Soundgallery (talk • contribs) 05:32, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.