Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chabad of Brazos Valley

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Secret account 22:04, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Chabad of Brazos Valley

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The creator of this article has recently created articles that are variations of one Chabad type. So far at least three others have been nominated for deletion, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yossi Lazaroff; Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Texas Friends of Chabad Lubavitch and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jewish Aggies that are essentially WP:VANITY pages. This article is about a synagogue of the Chabad Hasidic movement of which there are thousands similar ones in the world. Wikipedia is not Chabad.org meaning that it is not here to further the publicity and propagandistic aims of the movement. Chabad has its own plentiful websites and Wikipedia should resist a stealth invasion in this manner, (see the bloated {{Chabad}} template that exhibits "an ambition that does oe'r leap itself" -- to quote Shakespeare in Macbeth.) This article is part of a trend that violates Wikipedia is not a soapbox; Wikipedia is not a mirror or a repository of links, images, or media files; Wikipedia is not a blog, webspace provider, social networking, or memorial site; and just plain Wikipedia is not your web host of which, and for which, Chabad has plenty of. IZAK (talk) 10:44, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

  • Delete for above reasons. IZAK (talk) 10:44, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Judaism-related deletion discussions. IZAK (talk) 10:47, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete - while I'm all for notable buildings or organizations, this one seems to be neither. Only eight hits for its name in a google search, mostly for its own site and here. No assertion of notability for this particular location and Wikipedia is not a directory. Collectonian (talk) 11:02, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep - because a spiritual center to strengthen the Jewish Faith is an important subject indeed worth for 'our' free and open encyclopedia--יודל (talk) 11:06, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
    • Hi Yiddisheryid: Sure, every single shull, shtiebel, school and Jewish kindergarten is an important Jewish spiritial center. Even when Jews are in the Merkava tank and they make a minyan it's an important spiritual center from a metaphysical and mystical POV, but it is not fit to have every place a minyan gathers as an encyclopedia topic. For that there are minyan and shulls lists/guides like Go Daven, the OU synagogue guide, and even Chabad.org's Find A Center. Wikipedia is not starving anyone of their spiritual needs when the Internet has lots of easy Judaic resources to find and people will not come looking here for the spirituality of "our" people, so see WP:NOT#DIRECTORY. Thanks, IZAK (talk) 11:21, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete not a notable only has 8 ghits: [1]. Lobojo (talk) 12:33, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
    • Comment The above voter also describes Chabad rabbis as "(cultish self-promoters)". [2] I would appreciate it if the anti-Chabad comments and arguements could be kept out of this discussion. This is not the place to profane religious leaders of any kind!!! Bhaktivinode (talk) 13:38, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete, really not notable; no indepedent references. Lankiveil (talk) 12:48, 28 December 2007 (UTC).
  • Keep This article is about a religous community, it is notable and well sourced as shown by articles such as this one [3] from the Jewish Herald-Voice. I also hope that this debate well leave aside the defamation of religious leaders and/or communities (see above Comment) - This debate is not a place for anti-Chabad rhetoric!!! Thanks. Bhaktivinode (talk) 14:15, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge important info from Texas Friends of Chabad Lubavitch, Chabad of Brazos Valley, Yossi Lazaroff, and Jewish Aggies into Texas A&M University#Student life. Don't worry about that section getting to big. All these articles are stubs that basically have the same info. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 16:58, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep Article should be expanded, may change to a week keep as is. Culturalrevival (talk) 17:03, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment This article has been expanded, and is still expanding. Thanks. Bhaktivinode (talk) 20:05, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Texas-related deletion discussions. -- the wub "?!" 23:51, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
  • comment this can be best combined with the article on the current rabbi ;better to have one strong article; even better, with Jewish organisations at Texas A&M--there's more than chabad. Mwerging into the main article is going much too far, considering the size & improtance of the university, but a more comprehensive article would be better. DGG (talk) 07:41, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
    Are you proposing a merge with the Rabbi article or a new article? On a similiar discussion I advised a more encompassing article on Chabad Lubavitch in Texas. These articles might be too specific to local communities to stand alone, while a larger narrative might suffice. I assume this is what you are discussing above? There seems to be more information of this subject. Otherwise Brewcrewer has suggested a merge with the student university section, a good proposal as well. Culturalrevival (talk) 00:01, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
Why not merge the few crumbs of info that exist in all these articles into your A+++ grade article on History of the Jews in Texas? Lobojo (talk) 01:08, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete References do not show Notability. Springnuts (talk) 22:06, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete as non-notable. References establish existance but not notability, and wikipedia is not a directory. Karanacs (talk) 03:03, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. Apparently this group exists. Not much more can be said about it, and there seems little likelihood that much more will ever be said about it. Jayjg (talk) 02:32, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Weak Delete or merge into Texas A&M University#Student life The organization has the core notability requirement of multiple independent sources which cover the organization in detail, so an inclusionist argument could be made for a keep. However, it doesn't seem to meet any of the standard criteria of WP:ORG, and the sources don't demonstrate anything that makes the organization especially remarkable. The articles seem of a run-of-the-mill sort analogous to wedding and obituary announcements, which ordinarily don't support a notability claim. They all describe very ordinary, common activities like the organization opening its doors, a Friday night dinner, an education program, and other very standard things that this type of organization typically does. They tend to indicate that this organization is similar to hundreds of other Chabad centers, and indeed tens of thousands of religious organizations catoring to university students, throughout the United States. They don't suggest any special basis for notability. However, the organization could certainly be mentioned as part of Texas A&M University student life. Best, --Shirahadasha (talk) 03:57, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


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