Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cezar kurti

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 04:16, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cezar Kurti

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Article on a translator. May be notable but fails the Google test, created by what is probably a member of the subject's family. Note Geogre's First Law (incorrect capitalisation). Guy (Help!) 23:01, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

This nomination is irresponsible nonsense. Speculation about who created this is irrelevant and clearly guesswork. What Google test? What were the results? What the heck does capitalization have to do with notability and verifiability? It appears that the nominator should gain some experience before judging other peoples contributions. --Kevin Murray 19:20, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Google test, Wikipedia:Conflict of interest, Marinkurti (talk · contribs). I think that answers your aggressive assertions concerns. Oh and please don't accuse admins of "irresponsible nonsense" when they bring contested speedies to AfD. Guy (Help!) 16:26, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Comment Although it may have been added by a member of his family, WP:Conflict of interest states that this should not be used as the single criterion for deletion, "Who has written the material should be irrelevant so long as these policies are closely adhered to." The other policies being encyclopediac interest, NPOV, etc. And it is advised under Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions that the Google Test alone not be used. I'm not used to these policies, so I go and read them each time, and it appears that this is nominated based upon Conflict of interest, which says that the editor is "irrelevant so long as" the article is otherwise worthy, and that the Google test should not stand alone. The capitalization should be corrected, but I don't understand that it is a cause for deletion. This is an interesting guy, fairly well known, if in an obscure field. As I said, I didn't know him by name, but the linguists I know are thrilled about this dude, the guy who translated Antony and Cleopatra into Albanian, and courtesy of Wikipedia, I intend to name drop Kurti ASAP. If I misunderstand any of these policies on arguments to avoid, and conflict of interest please let me know. I think this AfD could and should be closed though. KP Botany 20:05, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

• comment The language was excessive, but the comment "probably created by a member of the subject's family" is in fact out of order, because it is purely negative speculation. It could also be said that originally suggesting for deletion on the basis of unfamiliarity alone is an incorrect use of the WP procedure. I'd think one would be specially careful with a relatively lesser-known language. DGG 05:50, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

• This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT 14:37, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

• No vote. I have wikified the article a bit. However I cannot vote since I am not Albanian, nor do I speak Albanian (and I guess this applies to the majority of Wikipedians), so I do not feel myself qualified to pass a judgement. In the spirit of Countering systemic bias I would urge everyone not to be hasty, and not to make quick delete votes just because you have never heard of this person or because Google does not show up much on him. Please note that the article does make claims that he is an important and notable author/translator in the history of Albanian literature. It is true on the other hand that there are (as yet) no good sources. However not being Albanian and not knowing Albanian myself I cannot judge, hence no vote. -- Ekjon Lok 15:53, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
• Comment translated a dozen books, among them Dante's, into Albanian. I don't want to pass a judgment on the notability of this Alf photoman 17:42, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
• Weak keep because the article seems to assert notability on the basis of the professor test, but the article needs better sourcing. Tarinth 18:21, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
• Comment Is there and article on him in sq:? Caknuck 20:34, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
• Neutral: the only source currently linked appears to be the subject's own website. Additional reliable sources need to be added. The subject seems notable on the surface, but only if WP:V can back up some of the assertions in the article. I'll see what I can find and revisit this before closure. --Kinu ^t/_c 22:50, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
• Weak Keep If his textbook has been used in university courses (per the last sentence), he passes WP:PROF. Badly needs outside sourcing but appears to be notable based on information included in article. Eluchil404 18:34, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached
 Please add new discussions below this notice. Thanks, Quarl ^(talk) 02:40, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

• Keep, notable life experience, though would like to see sources to back this up. Translators of books are nearly as instrumental in the meanings held in books as the authors so really do belong on Wikipedia. Mallanox 02:52, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
• Keep asserts notability in Albainan literature. --Infrangible 03:32, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
• Keep , with 1.270 ghits there is got to be somethiong .... Alf photoman 20:35, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
• Speedy Keep He's fairly well known for his translations into Albanian of Shakespeare's Sonnets and Antony and Cleopatra--although I could not have told you his name. Failed the google test? Shame on google, then. Not everything worth knowing is on the web. Professor Kurti (title on article should be Cezar Kurti) is respectably famous among translators, lovers of Shakespeare and academia--Western academia. Not everyone can translate Antoni Dhe Kleopatra (ISBN: 0971793832) into Albanian. The article needs work, but it belongs--speedy keep, in fact. KP Botany 21:17, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
• Keep The article describes quite a noteable person, so if we assume good faith there is no reason to delete the article. In addition, the fact that Amazon carries two books by him (both Albanian language books), and the independent recognition of his translation work in this thread are both evidence that the description in the article is accurate, and, therefore, noteable. Enuja 02:27, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
• KEEP Very notable in academic circles! Forget about Google! Cleo123 08:45, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

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