Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Central High School (Erie, Pennsylvania)
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was no consensus, defaulting to keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 05:15, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Central High School (Erie, Pennsylvania)
nn school,no attributed sources, no assertion of notability. ⇒ SWATJester On Belay! 05:23, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. The article basically just says that the school exists. TJ Spyke 05:30, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
- Delete - Non-notable school--$UIT 05:31, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
- Keep all high schools are notable, as I argue here, and there's some good information in the infobox. Noroton 05:53, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
- Keep. Until guidelines are changed, high schools are pretty much automatically notable, though this is still subject to debate. Realkyhick 06:51, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
- To the above two posters. Do you know how policy and guideline works? Explain how it passes WP:N or any other guideline/policy? If they don't, then the article must go. God I hate people who say that BS that "all high schools are notable". WRONG, they have to proove why they are notable. TJ Spyke 07:08, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
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- Yeah, we use the ancient and honorable WP:IAR provision of our Wikipediology to !vote in deletion discussions. Somehow, somehow most high school articles stay in the picture at the end of the discussion. Must be divine intervention. My humble essay actually says something about that. When I get a little less busy, I hope to make a proposal about schools which I hope will bring around Wikipedia written policy to something closer to what Wikipedians actually want, or at least what we actually do (or maybe some fine Wikipedian will do it first). Then we can all bend down and worship that idol. Seriously, you make a good point, but WP:IAR is policy and maybe that's what allows practice to outpace policy writing. By the way, where did we put that rule that allows small towns to have articles without passing WP:N? Noroton
- Comment I will lead that genuflection, N. It would certainly be a great benefit to the community to have a consistent policy on schools we could all live with. --Butseriouslyfolks 00:46, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
- Yeah, we use the ancient and honorable WP:IAR provision of our Wikipediology to !vote in deletion discussions. Somehow, somehow most high school articles stay in the picture at the end of the discussion. Must be divine intervention. My humble essay actually says something about that. When I get a little less busy, I hope to make a proposal about schools which I hope will bring around Wikipedia written policy to something closer to what Wikipedians actually want, or at least what we actually do (or maybe some fine Wikipedian will do it first). Then we can all bend down and worship that idol. Seriously, you make a good point, but WP:IAR is policy and maybe that's what allows practice to outpace policy writing. By the way, where did we put that rule that allows small towns to have articles without passing WP:N? Noroton
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- Weak keep as per Noroton above, high schools are notable within their local area. - Iridescenti (talk to me!) 19:16, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
- Keep — Sufficiently notable. — RJH (talk) 20:36, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletions. -- Noroton 20:56, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
- Weak Keep for the academic championship. There is no consensus at Wikipedia that high schools are or are not inherently notable, as evidenced by the fact that high school AfDs are closed as "no consensus", "keep" or "delete" on a case by case basis. This one has it. I think a school with an academic championship is more notable than one with a great basketball program, but this particular contest is only fought in 39 states, hence the weak in my keep. --Butseriouslyfolks 00:49, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
- weak delete Actually Noroton said it exactly: "most high school articles stay ." Most, but not all. I do not see how one can use the true statement that most stay in, to deduce that all stay in, or that all should. . What we should be trying to do is to find the guidelines on their merits so we don't have to start from the beginning each time, and all understand what clearly is and what clearly isn't, and only need to discuss the borderline ones. Saying that all should stay in (or out) makes it impossible to even discuss guidelines.
- This one is borderline. The 2 championships might show some notability, except that they are not documented. they could be, I think. . The other Erie high school articles show that more content can often be found. I'll change to weak keep if there's any non-trivial 3rd party RS. GreatSchools is not a RS for notability: beyond recording the state Dept of Ed data, it "allows principals to add a great deal of additional information about curriculum, programs, activities, school vision and leadership." That is, it consists of directory data plus self-advertising. It is a convenient RS for the directory data, so as not to need finding the official state basic information. To list Central High School Official Website, Erie School District Profile of Central High, and Central High's main Web page at Great Schools Web site is one source, not three--and all of them good only for the directory information. DGG 03:40, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Fails WP:N. Xarr 13:55, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
- Delete nn school. Eusebeus 18:18, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
- Weak keep per Noroton. --Masterpedia 02:14, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
