Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Central Asian Languages

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Addhoc (talk) 14:49, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Central Asian Languages

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Delete Due to original research by the creator of the article, I am nominating this article for deletion. There is no linguistic classification "Central Asian Languages". Also the map created by the user is extremly wrong. People do not speak Arabic in Kermanshah or Bushehr. Neither do they speak Oguz languages in Rasht, Mahabad or Uzbekistan! Nor is Uighyur spoken in Uzbekistan. The population of Tajiki speakers in Tajikistan is off by at least 1 million. Also the article is poorly written (grammer, cohesiveness) and has no sources. If people want information on languages spoken in Central Asia , they can click on the country of interest. Finally, besides having no such linguistic classification as Central Asian Languages, the article's name is non-scientific and does not consider languages that are now dead (as an example Chorasmian). Also it is not Encyclopedic/Academic for an author to create a map with wrong information. --alidoostzadeh (talk) 19:08, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

I've corrected the nomination. It is listed now. Procedural, no opinion on deletion. UltraExactZZ ^Claims ~ Evidence 21:47, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

• Delete, self-made nonsense. Also, the map was the funniest part; the creator even grouped Baluchi and Pashto as one single group!--Pejman47 (talk) 00:16, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete or redirect to Central Asia. There's a languages section on that article. 132.205.44.5 (talk) 00:42, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete There are many mistakes in this, this is a delete. - Milk's Favorite Cookie 01:50, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete, very weakly, and with some reluctance, and entirely without prejudice to re-creation. The subject certainly seems like it is one that would support an article. The consensus appears to be that the current content is seriously misleading. Ordinarily, I'd say this should be corrected, not deleted, unless the current content is so flawed that wiping it might be the best course. Central Asia seems to contain many languages. I do not know whether they might share areal features or constitute a sprachbund of some sort, or whether there is any research suggesting this may be so. - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 18:24, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

• Keep

The Article might not be a superb standard article, but i think we can develop it, especially since the article is requested in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Central Asia/Request Articles |Central Asia Project]].

and the Map is not created out of my imagination, but it is based on the reference at the end, i have created the map after collecting several maps of Central Asian republics and putting them in one map...

i will also re-update the map to be more specific... i agree that he article deserves a high assesment, but it shouldnt be deleted, instead it needs to be improved, and the information i have got are all from the Ethnologue wwebsite

• Afghanistan - [1]
• Iran - [2]
• Kazakhstan - [3]
• Kyrgyzstan - [4]
• Tajikistan - [5]
• Turkmenistan -[6]
• Uzbekistan - [7]

Arab League (talk • contribs) 17:43, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Ethnologue is not a reliable site. Check their wikipedia entry. The map is horrible. But anyhow Central Asia has the necessary information. Central Asian languages is not a linguistic classification and it is misleading. --alidoostzadeh (talk) 20:54, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

eventho it was somehow insultive of you to say the Map is "horrible", i mean you couldve just used other words like, unproffesional, or just "bad", anyways i was wondering why do you think its not a reliable site?

and i also want to point out that the article is not for a Linguistic classification, but for a Regional Classification. similar to regional articles like Languages of Europe, Languages of China, Languages of Iran, Languages of the Arab League, and BTW most if not all of these articles have ethnologue as their reference.[8]

Arab League (User talk:Arab League) —Preceding comment was added at 06:11, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

• • On a point of order: One of the four articles you've listed uses Ethnologue. And then, it isn't the only source used. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 07:44, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

The map is terribly inaccurate. You have shown the language of Gilan, Kurdish areas and Mazandaran as Oghuz and Arabic. Also you have shown the language of Uzbekistan as Uighyur. Sorry I come from this area and that is why I said, the map is "horrible". I should have just said it is extremly wrong and I request you delete it from Wikipedia because you are giving the wrong information to readers who might not know better. You check for professional maps in university of texas map archives which are somewhat more accurate (although they have their own flaws). --alidoostzadeh (talk) 06:14, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

well please check the Map again, since i have corrected it, and made it simpler, and proffesional, i have done so yesterday... youll find that the map has changed dramatically, in colors and description, and i also sourced the map back from Ethnologue.

i still dont find the article needs to be deleted, no one has yet gave me good reason!! other then some members disagreeing with the references and sources... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arab League (talk • contribs) 08:35, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

The map is again very wrong. Such blobs of Afro-Asiatic speaking groups do not exist in Central Asia. I do not think we should create maps by Wikipedia users unless it is very necessary! Also the article is unnecessary since a section in Central Asia covers it and each country has its own entry. Ethnologue anyhow is a 3rd rate source. --alidoostzadeh (talk) 15:16, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

• Speedy delete as nonsense, original research, and unencyclopedic. If kept, for some reason, it should be renamed "List of Languages in Former Soviet Republics" or such. Bearian (talk) 20:21, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete All the evidence above --Namsos (talk) 01:29, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

the afro-asiatic languages used in C.A. are Arabic mostly, it is called Tajik Arabic or Bukharic Arabic, but wait ... you should know this right!! coming from their and all..

Arab League User (talk) 04:29, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Ethnologue is not a reliable source. Such a big blob does not exist in the map. In Bukhara they speak Persian and Uzbek. If there are any Arabic speakers left in that whole area, it is no more than 5000. There is probably more chinese in the area now and definitely Russians. In the end, you should't make demographics maps in Wikipedia, it has to be from a reliable source. --alidoostzadeh (talk) 04:58, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Delete there are grave errors in this article from top to toe.cs (talk) 06:24, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

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