Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Centerville, virginia

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Real location established as separate from Centreville, Virginia. Dismabiguation link to be added to minimise future confusion. WjBscribe 23:44, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Centerville, virginia

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not actual town. Does not have references. Virginia Tech killer is actually from Centreville, Virginia (note the BrE). Article made in protest of British spelling. . – John Stattic (talk) 15:17, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Addition to nomination - Within seven different counties, the state of Virginia has five Centerville cities[1][2][3][4][5] and two Centreville cities [6][7]. The article states that Centerville is a town in Montgomery County, Virginia. Montgomery County, Virginia does not have a Centerville or a Centreville. -- Jreferee 18:06, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
Addendum to my addition to nomination - U.S. Geological Survey says there is a Centerville, Virginia in Montgomery County, Virginia. And if you still have room to be confused, there is a Centerville, Montgomery County, Ohio. -- Jreferee 20:09, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. It's an actual town, but not notable. Facts are wrong, since killer is from Centreville. And Virginia should be capitalized. THF 15:17, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep This *IS* a real town. Towns named both CenTERville and CenTREville exist in Virginia. For confirmation, see here: [8] and here: [9]. Per MSNBC, CenTERville (this one) is the home of the spree killer [10]. Therefore, this town has now risen from a non-notable backwater hamlet, to national significane as the home of an infamous murderer, and deserves a wiki article. Elambeth 15:20, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. While I'm not sure this AfD was done properly... this debate should not be moved outside the talk page just to WP:POINT. MrMacMan Talk 15:22, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. The MSNBC article actually uses both spellings so one is typo. Also, to be confusing, there are TWO CenTERville, VAs. The other is on the east coast next to Williamsburg. Jmbox 15:26, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Speedy, speedy delete Moncrief 15:34, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
  • This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT 11:12, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Speedy keep and move to Centerville, Virginia (may need a disambiguation page there if there really are two Centerville, VAs) - the only reason for this page to be deleted is if the town is proven not to exist, which has not been the case here. Whether some spree/serial killer hailed from here is irrelevant to whether this town is real. —Resurgent insurgent 2007-04-18 12:06Z
  • Comment: There are legitimate backlinks to this article which long predate the fuss about Cho's hometown from three unrelated articles - U.S. Route 13 in Virginia, Virginia State Route 129, and Virginia State Route 176. Which makes it all the more difficult to believe that this town doesn't exist. —Resurgent insurgent 2007-04-18 12:09Z
    • Searching [11] finds six places named Centerville, VA. US 13 and SR 176 pass through one (the second one on the list), while SR 129 serves another (the third one, though it's actually a bit north of where the search result leads). The killer was from "Centreville, Va., a suburb of Washington". --NE2 12:49, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment: Yes, Cho is from the Centreville in Northern Virginia, from a Fairfax County Public Schools email I received "We have confirmation that the alleged shooter, Seung-Hui Cho of Centreville, was a student at Virginia Tech and is a 2003 graduate of Westfield High School." Mapquest has 7 "Centervilles" in its DAB page [12]. --MPD T / C 14:22, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Duh... just redirect to Centreville, Virginia and let's get on with our lives. --Ali'i 14:51, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment - any given state will usually have between 5 and 10 towns with this name. Trust me, it's a gigantic pain in the ass to figure out which is which. Don't rely on Google or Mapquest to figure this out - find a good atlas at a library or something. And don't just redirect to Centreville, Virginia - that's COMPLETELY wrong. --- RockMFR 17:19, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
    • [13] is presumably a good resource. --NE2 17:58, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong keep. Get this - there are not only 1 but actually 8 populated places in Virginia with the exact name Centerville with that spelling [14]. The one in question in this article, I believe, is the one in Montgomery County, and the Montgomery County Chamber of Commerce believes this community exists, as well [15]. US Census maps show that this area hasn't been incorporated into any other cities so I cannot conclude it is merely a neighborhood and it must be a town in its own right, and per precedent all inhabited cities/towns/villages are notable. This actually should be converted to a dab page, with this information moved to Centerville, Virginia (Montgomery County) and this turned into a dab page pointing there as well as the existing Centreville, Virginia - and future "Centerville, Virginia" articles as they are created. Arkyan • (talk) 18:18, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong keep. All cities, towns, and villages are by precedent notable. There are a lot more small towns and villages than most people realize. Support creating a dab page for all the Centervilles and Centrevilles in Virginia. --Charlene 19:00, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Move to Centerville, Virginia. If it's not already done, I've got it. --Dennis The Tiger (Rawr and stuff) 19:43, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
    • ...OK, it's been moved. Keep and flesh it out. There is a precedent for keeping cities on here (even something as small as Meade, Kansas or Carnation, Washington), but given the conditions of these articles I show, it would be wise of some editors to find somebody to do the research. --Dennis The Tiger (Rawr and stuff) 20:05, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep The arguments of those who would would delete this page hinge on 2 arguments: (1) The town doesn't exist, which is plainly not the case per the links in the article, and (2) The Virginia Tech spree killer isn't from here so it's not notable, which is not the case per news reports, and wouldn't remove the town's notability, even if it were true. 170.252.11.11 20:38, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete Merely being one of the places where a murderer lived is not enough to establish notability for a geographic area, IMHO. As always, I'd be happy to reconsider if additional evidence were produced. --ElKevbo 21:50, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete - are we sure that this is a town and not just a neighborhood? There are lots of little tiny sections that aren't even towns around there. I don't know what the technical designation is because where I live we don't have the equivalent ... but it looks like this place is on the order of a neighborhood. --BigDT (416) 06:03, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
    • Well, according to Google Maps, Centerville VA can be found here, and even has a state highway named of it. As a sidenote, Centreville, VA (note the British spelling) can be found here, off of Interstate 66. --Dennis The Tiger (Rawr and stuff) 23:44, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
      • I know it's on Google maps, but a lot of those places on there are not actual municipalities. (By the way, the map you gave is NOT the Centerville we are talking about. You linked to somewhere near Williamsburg on the opposite side of the state.) They have no seat of government. I found this list here - http://www.montgomerycc.org/montgomery.htm - that calls it a "community". I'm not familiar with Centerville, but I am familiar with Prices Fork, Toms Creek, and Lusters Gate. None of those are actual municipalities - they are neighborhoods. I can only assume that Centerville is the same thing. --BigDT (416) 20:58, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep - From the look of the map, this is probably what I would (as an Englishman) would refer to as a village. AS Charlene said villages are notable. Peterkingiron 09:02, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Redirect to title with correct capitalization --ALL IN (u t c m l) 16:58, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep per 170.252.11.11 and Dennis the Tiger. Most of the delete votes hinge on WP:HOAX, which has been shown to be incorrect, a claim that being the place of residence of a mass murdered doesn't give notability (also incorrect), and one unexplained claim for a double-plus speedy delete. -- Black Falcon (Talk) 19:56, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Speedy Delete or Redirect. Centerville, Virginia is a tiny town of boutiques and tourist shops about 12 miles southwest of Blacksburg, Virginia and is non-notable. Centreville, Virginia is a different city, 240 miles northeast of Blacksburg. If there is anything truly notable about Centerville, then merge that information into Montgomery County, Virginia, and Redirect there. --T-dot (Talk | contribs) 13:33, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep All towns are notable per wiki policy. 70.247.11.87 16:02, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete as suspected hoax. The article states that Centerville is a town in Montgomery County, Virginia. Montgomery County, Virginia does not have a Centerville or a Centreville. The nominator suggests the article was posted to make a point by taking advantage of the WP:RS confusion between the Centerville and Centreville spellings. A purpose of the article seems to be an attempt to use Wikipedia to perpetuate the confusion set out in newspaper articles over the spelling of Centerville and Centreville and the location of events relative to the Virginia Tech massacre. In any event, no matter how notable, important, or famous this topic is, there is not enough WP:RS material to write an attributable article on the topic. Thus, the topic does not meet Wikipedia notability guidelines and the article cannot meet Wikipedia article policies. -- Jreferee 18:14, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.