Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Center for Jewish Values

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was No Consensus to delete. Consensus regarding a merger should be sought on the appropriate talk pages. Eluchil404 04:59, 18 September 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Center for Jewish Values

Center for Jewish Values (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log)

No claim of notability. SolidPlaid 01:49, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Judaism-related deletions. -- John Vandenberg 08:55, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep, this organization is notable i will try to go to the library and tel you how many newspapers have already discussed this, it is a pity the hareidi newspapers don't publish their reportage's online, but this was noted in the Yated Ne'eman and Hamodia.--יודל 16:50, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom--Yeshivish 17:31, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

*Delete per SolidPlaid. --Truest blue 17:37, 9 September 2007 (UTC) this is user yeshivsh--יודל 13:41, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

  • Comment As always, do we have mentions of the organization in independent sources to establish notability? SInce the organization has an English name, I would expect it to have some mention in English-language Jewish newspapers or something if it is notable. We can hold up the AfD a few days and see if sources can be obtained, but they need to be there before the end. Best, --Shirahadasha 19:36, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
    • Shira: It is precisely because the organization is much too young (established 2001) to have any notabilty in the Jewish world. In any case, we are only looking at it in terms of it is Judaic context and "mentions of the organization in independent sources to establish notability" do not kick in here because then it would be non-starter for sure. IZAK 22:00, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge with Yitzchak Berkovits article. This organization is very minor and only recently established (2001). Its Dean, Rabbi Yitzchak Berkovits is the one who is notable and having a notable rabbi as its leader does not automatically make any institition that he joins also notable especially if it was estalished a couple of years ago and has a long, long way to go to prove it durability. Maybe its gonna be a fly by night? So it's too early to tell. IZAK 22:00, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete per Yeshivish Yossiea (talk) 22:51, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge per IZAK. --MPerel 08:53, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep Rabbi Berkovits is very highly regarded. He is the main posek for the English speaking community in Jerusaelm today. Furthermore, the Linas Hatzedek Kollelim are all over the place, and are having a big impact on Klal Yisrael! Bein Adom lChavero is needed to bring the redemption! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.130.224.228 (talk) 12:05, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
Look at this link http://www.jewishmediaresources.org/article/689/ It sounds very good! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.130.224.228 (talk) 12:13, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
As Mitzvot Bein Adom LCHavero constitute half of the Mitzvot (commandments) of Judaism, their work is very significant! They have also grown remarkably since Rabbi Berkovits started the first Kollel a few years ago. They have printed many seforim as well. See http://jewishvalues.us/page5.html
These three votes all came from the same IP. Yossiea (talk) 13:44, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge - unless I see that the article satisfies the notability requirement by being the primary subject of multiple third-party, independent, etc. reliable sources. The article can be recreated later if the organization becomes famous. The Behnam 17:30, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Weak keep or merge depending on whether the sources show independent notability. The key parts of the non-English print sources can be translated and included as references--we arent limited by language or print-only status. But it would be good to rewrite the article--and conduct the discussion--in a way more accessible to WPedians in general. DGG (talk)
  • Keep Very significant for their to be a movement towards Bein Adom LChavero in Yeshiva world. Until now, this has been unheard of. furthermore, with leader of rabbi Berkovits stature, it is going places! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.130.180.242 (talk) 11:35, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep An organization which operates 18 Kollels cannot be 'fly-by-night' or flash-in-the-pan, and the unique content is also note-worthy. (83.130.46.240 11:44, 16 September 2007 (UTC))

Still not notable - I have no idea what "Bein Adom LChavero in Yeshiva world" is, nor how hard it is to operate 18 Kollels. The article still does not have notability so it must be deleted. The one article linked there does not establish notability. SolidPlaid 12:03, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

  • Keep SolidPlaid wrote: that he has "no idea what "Bein Adom LChavero in Yeshiva world" is, nor how hard it is to operate 18 Kollels". Then perhaps you are too uninformed to be commenting here. The article states what Bein Adom L'Chavero is, though any 'commentator' on Jewish matters ought to know- The Torah's guidelines for Interpersonal Relations; these constitute more than HALF of the Mitzvot (commandments) of the Torah (Jewish Bible, if you will). The Yeshiva World: The community of Yeshivot (schools of Religious Instruction) and its alumni in North America, Europe, and Israel comprise the fastest growing sector of the Jewish People today.Kollel "a gathering/collection [of scholars]") is an institute for advanced studies of the Talmud and of rabbinic literature for Jewish adults, essentially a yeshiva which pays married men a regular monthly stipend or annual salary (and/or provides housing and meals) to study Judaism's classic texts in depth. The plural in Hebrew is kollelim. An organization operating eighteen of them- is clearly notable! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.130.60.120 (talk) 15:38, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
I don't disagree with your analysis, but the problem is that the article does not cite independent internet sources saying what you are saying about the Center. I don't need to be informed to nominate something for deletion, I do it on the basis of lack of references in the article. To put it plainly: we have no proof that the Center for Jewish Values runs 18 kollelim, nor do we have proof that anyone has posted anything to the internet to the effect that running 18 kollelim is notable. SolidPlaid 04:52, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete non notable organization. SefringleTalk 18:11, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. Appears notable. • Lawrence Cohen 19:35, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.