Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cecilia Reyes Mortensen

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus, defaulting to keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 05:23, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cecilia Reyes Mortensen

Cecilia Reyes Mortensen (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log)

Non-notable person. Deprodded by creator. Ezeu 04:02, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

  • Delete Fails WP:N by it's own contents In last years WSOP Main event she placed 374th place out of 8,773 players. Jeepday 04:11, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment Don't know the notability guidelines for poker players, so I've no opinion here, but if she is deemed non-notable, then she may still merit a sentence or two in the article about her notable poker-playing ex Carlos. GassyGuy 04:33, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep - I've cleaned it up a bit and it appears to have sources available. Finishing 374th out of 8,773 is a reasonably notable achievement, actually. I'm at work and access to poker-related sites is blocked but from a google search it appears that there is sufficient material available about her life and career that she passes notability guidelines. Otto4711 13:49, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete $230k is tiny for career earnings by a professional poker player. Subject seems to be slightly photogenic, and that is it. NetOracle 01:58, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
  • The amount of money that she's won playing live tournaments strikes me as not being relevant to whether or not she meets Wiki-guidelines. Otto4711 06:14, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Career earnings are directly related to skill, time spent playing, and thus, notability. NetOracle 00:48, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Actually, they aren't. Notability guidelines are silent on the subject of career earnings. So is WP:BIO, which states in relevant part that sportspeople are notable if they "have played...at the highest level in mainly amateur sports or other competitive activities that are themselves considered notable." She has finished in the top 5% of the largest and most notable poker tournament in the history of the world and is a known quantity in the poker world beyond that. Jamie Gold has the highest career earnings in tournament poker at $12,00,000+ but he's been playing tournament poker for just over a year and not professionally. He is not notable because of how much time he's spent playing and the amount of time he's spent playing seems unrelated to his career earnings. He is notable because he won the WSOP main event. Otto4711 02:17, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep Per Otto's compelling argument --Kevin Murray 23:34, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep per WP:BIO - "Sportspeople/athletes/competitors who have played in a fully professional league, or a competition of equivalent standing in a non-league sport such as swimming, or at the highest level in mainly amateur sports or other competitive activities that are themselves considered notable, including college sports in the United States." She has clearly played at the highest level in Poker leagues. --Oakshade 02:03, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached
 Please add new discussions below this notice. Thanks, Quarl (talk) 09:47, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete Article says she's top ranked, but finishing outside the top 300 is not what I call top ranked. No evidence that she has been the primary focus of multiple non-trivial treatment by reliable secondary sources. Guy (Help!) 10:20, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete, I don't see a position 374 player notable, unless she has some other notability other than playing poker. Do not see any reliable and independent sources in the article. Terence Ong 11:08, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
  • She has been the subject of multiple profiles on ESPN during its coverage of the World Series of Poker. It is rather difficult to link to those in an article. As for whether finishing 374th out of a field of 8,773 is an achievement, with all due respect, let's see you do it. Otto4711 13:42, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Its not about us, its about her. --Ezeu 18:38, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep Per Otto and oakshade. Mathmo Talk 16:05, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep per excellent arguments by Otto4711 and Oakshade. She clearly passes WP:BIO as she has "played in a fully professional league" and placed in the top 5 percent. Moreover, she is covered in a number of published sources (those in the article and others including [1] and [2]). -- Black Falcon 21:12, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.