Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cattle drives

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Keep. Deathphoenix ʕ 03:59, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cattle drives

The article reads as original research and has some point of view issues (terms like "Yankees", which is incorrectly linked anyway). Its so far from the detailed treatment of this interesting subject that Wikipedia deserves. Removing the POV, unsourced material, untagged images and sheer speculation would leave an empty article, so as it stands it should be deleted. However this is clearly an encyclopedic subject which should be covered. Better to leave the current problematic article in the hope someone cleans it up? Or remove it until an expert can write the proper article? Gwernol 11:52, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

• Merge into Drover (Britain) and Drover (Australian). All three articles cover the same subject for different countries. If the article survives the AfD I'll happily do this. Cattle drives would be a commonish search term for those not knowing the term Drover. - Peripitus (Talk) 12:14, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
• Weak delete, but only because I can't fix this article myself without resorting to original research and whatnot, and there's nothing to be salvaged in its current form. The topic itself is absolutely valid for a Wikipedia article, and I'll change my opinion on this the second someone does a bit of fixing. (Merging to Drover(s) per Peripitus might work, but frankly, I think that whole rugged-American-cowboys-on-a-cattle-drive thing is such a strong cultural image that it would really be a kind of a disservice.) -- Captain Disdain 12:33, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Redirect per Yanksox. (I don't really agree that the article can't be improved, but cowboy does contain relevant information about cattle drives.) -- Captain Disdain 12:46, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
• Redirect to cowboy. This article can not be improved. Yanksox 12:36, 14 June 2006 (UTC) That was out of line for me to say. Yanksox 13:13, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep From WP:CSD "Limited content is not in itself a reason to delete if there is enough context to allow expansion." It's a rotten article, but it could be reduced to a stub using the first given reference as the source. Mr Stephen 13:08, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment - that just means that the article cannot be speedy deleted under that criterion. It is not necessarilly applicable to a regular deletion. BigDT 13:23, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per above. No article in Wikipedia "cannot be improved." --Shizane 13:10, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
• Redirect to Cowboy per Yanksox. --Dcflyer 13:13, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
• In the nom's own words, it is "an encyclopedic subject which should be covered". To me, this suggests that the article itself shouldn't be deleted, but its content should be reduced to a brief sentence explaining what it is, and perhaps be placed on Pages needing attention, as per the Deletion Policy. Keep, therefore. Seb Patrick 13:20, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
• Neutral - if kept, it needs to be cleaned. For example (and I'll fix this now), the Yankees being fed by the cattle drivers were probably NOT the New York Yankees baseball team. BigDT 13:23, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
• Weak keep. Definitely move to cattle drive, and consider merge from droving to this article (more familiar, less archaic term here). The subject is worthy of an article. This text and outline may be marginally helpful to someone improving the article, and as such should at least remain in the history. Smerdis of Tlön 14:11, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
• Strong keep if improved. There are plenty of sources that could be used. --Xyrael ^T 17:33, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
• Strong keep as major historical topic. Move to Cattle drives in the United States. Golfcam 17:41, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, although move to a better title, either singular Cattle drive or as per Golfcam. Joyous! | Talk 17:54, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - I requested this article and although I agree it could use improvement, I don't find the deletion process constructive in this instance. I agree that the title should be changed to the singular and that it should embody a global perspective (perhaps merging the current articles, perhaps leaving them as daughter articles). savidan^{(talk) (e@)} 23:16, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.