Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Catholic apostolic national church

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was move to Catholic Apostolic National Church in Great Britain. howcheng {chat} 19:38, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Catholic apostolic national church

Delete: Vanity, non-notable, advertising Tokakeke 02:17, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

• Delete or redirect to suitable article (I couldn't find one though), I fixed the external link in the article, but only gets a few googles anyway.--MONGO 09:07, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
• Weak keep. Appears to be a schismatic Catholic group originating in Brazil. Would be inclined to give a group like this the benefit of a doubt, at least with regards to notability; the group may not have a big web presence. Probably ought to move to Catholic Apostolic National Church. A general account of their beliefs, with particular attention to the grounds for their separation from Rome, would be more helpful here. Smerdis of Tlön 21:39, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. It seems to be a genuine religious community. Google for "Dom Luis Fernando Castillo Mendez", their "Patriarch", and see especially here [1]. The article now references a source, a website, and the website claims over a million adherents worldwide and has some photographs of church activities, including services with bishops and what might be construed as a church building. But that website is a sorry business, hosted on a commercial web provider with lots of ads, evidently pieced together quickly with lots of empty stubs (including a stub contact page). And the guy they have a photograph of in a priest's costume looks as if he might just as well be some student posing for a hoax. If that's the official site of the British branch of this church, then that branch at least hasn't been doing much publicity work so far. I would give them a few days time to collect more serious references. Also, the authors of the article need to make up their minds whether they want the article to deal with only the British branch, or the worldwide church it represents. As it stands, the article text doesn't match the title. Lukas 22:38, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
• Move to Catholic Apostolic National Church in Great Britain. Apparently there are other churches that call themselves Catholic Apostolic National Church which are not associated with these folks or Igrejas Católicas Apostólicas Nacionais (the originating organization in Brazil). But agree with Smerdis of Tlön, these guys should stay in. Crypticfirefly 04:22, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete or maybe move and extensively refactor. This is a national chapter of the Catholic Apostolic Church of Brazil, a spinoff founded by Carlos Duarte Costa after excommunication, which itself scores a princely 173 Google hits in English and about twice that in its native language; this does not appear to be an organisation of any real significance, as evidence the redlink for the church in the founder's own article. Absent any indication of numbers, I'd say that anythign beyond a stub is likely to be functionally unverifiable from neutral sources. Just zis  Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] AfD? 13:56, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per Lukas. Stifle 00:03, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per Lukas.—nihon 04:08, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.