Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Carolyn Brereton

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Delete Jtkiefer T | @ | C ----- 20:47, 26 October 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Carolyn Brereton

Comment an anon editor keeps removing the {{Afd}} -- Rogerd 13:35, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

  • Vanity. Delete --Image:Ottawa flag.png Spinboy 22:21, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Editor of some papers that don't seem to have articles on WP... 36 google hits (which is odd, I know a local newspaper reporter who gets zillions of google hits because her name gets repeated so much in by-lines). I say Delete as non-notable. --W.marsh 22:43, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
  • I know this person very well. She might not have enough google hits... but her name is not common. for example, John Smith could be the editor, and no duh it would have a lot of google hits. Are you aware she really was an editor. She represented New Edinburgh. Check the Wikipedia article on that. If you read the article on her, she did more than be an editor. She also got nomminated for ottawa's women award. Isn't that a big achievement? So keep the article, so more people can learn about someone local to Ottawa.
    • I hate to say this anon user, but there are tons of article on folks from Ottawa who deserve them. Your person isn't encyclopedic. Besides, anon users don't get a vote. --Image:Ottawa flag.png Spinboy 00:17, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
      • No-one gets a vote on Votes Articles for Deletion. :-) Even then, there's no rule that prevents closers from taking comments left from anons into account. Wikipedia encourages people to create accounts but doesn't require it. — mendel ☎ 20:11, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete; appears to be an average successful reporter/editor, but not widely known or discussed. MCB 01:20, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, not notable and per MCB. -feydey 08:34, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
  • The only thing in the article that could meet WP:BIO is her editorships (being nominated for, but not winning, an award is below the radar, particularly for local awards). Anyone know the circulation figures for the New Edinburgh News and Manor Park Chronicle? They're both community papers. I happen to have the Kitchissippi Times (Hintonburg/Westboro) here, with a circulation of 16,700, so assuming that that's not exceptional for an Ottawa community paper I have to say keep. — mendel ☎ 20:11, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
    • I'm not following your logic to keep this article, especially since it sounds like you meant to vote delete. --Image:Ottawa flag.png Spinboy 20:21, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
      • Sorry, that was kind of ugly, wasn't it? I mean: Ok, per WP:BIO, the only possibility is her editorships. Assuming her neighbourhood papers have circulation like the neighbourhood paper of my neighbourhood, then she meets that, so keep. WP:BIO sets a low bar, but it sets a bar. — mendel ☎ 04:53, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete --Rogerd 13:35, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
  • The circulation for the "New Edinburgh News" is really high. The newspaper goes to some local embassies and goes to the Governor General and Prime Minister. Any other community papers that go to high power figures? Will in world
    • It doesn't mean they read it. And that would only make the paper notable, remotely, not this person. --Image:Ottawa flag.png Spinboy 20:31, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete; the paper might deserve an article with a circulation figure like that, but that doesn't extend to its editor unless she's done more than just edit a community newspaper...like, has she been a columnist in the National Post or the Ottawa Citizen? (Tangentially, I'm personally curious to know if she's at all related to k-os, but that knowledge wouldn't actually change my vote.) Bearcat 22:09, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Maybe she is not known across Canada, but a majority of people know her in Ottawa. READ THE ARTICLE!!!!!!!! There is more than just an editor. Will in world
    • She fails the 100 year test, which means in 100 years, will anyone want to read about her? I'd say not. --Image:Ottawa flag.png Spinboy 23:37, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete nn --JAranda | watz sup 23:39, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Maybe in 100 years, there will be many editors of this paper and they need to be remembered. There are so many people that are only known to about 1,000 people and get the smae credit as someone who is known by 1 billion. She also started the newspaper layout electronically. She was a diplomat, mother, newspaper editor, activist. Does she need more than that? Will in world
  • Delete. A majority of Ottawans do not know about her. I doubt a majority of New Edinburghians do either. -- Earl Andrew - talk 23:45, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep and condense considerably (1 paragraph max.). Editor of two neighborhood newspapers, wife of Canadian Consul-General in Buffalo, met in Havana. Perfect Who's Who entry which will be read 100 years from now, but very occasionally. --Tremont30 03:18, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Tremont30 is not a sock puppit of me. Just to clarify that. Keep this article for one of the other reasons why... She was the first editor of those papers to start the layout electronically. She also interviews Adrienne Clarkson, a huge achievement for a local community editor. Can you name anyone else? Carolyn is knwo across New Edinburgh that a majority a residents in New Edinburgh were saddended tha she was leaving. If you keep this article, more people can learn about her. A lot of musicians weren't known until they died. Just keep that into consideration. Will in world
  1. She was the first editor of those papers to start the layout electronically. This is not a criterion that makes her notable. If she'd been the first newspaper editor in the world to ever use electronic layout, you'd have a point, but being the first one at a specific local community paper simply isn't encyclopedia-worthy.
  2. She also interviews Adrienne Clarkson, a huge achievement for a local community editor. This is not a criterion that makes her notable. Lots of people have interviewed Adrienne Clarkson over the years; it's not a feat that automatically makes someone deserving of their own article.
  3. Carolyn is knwo across New Edinburgh that a majority a residents in New Edinburgh were saddended tha she was leaving. This is not a criterion that makes her notable to anyone outside of New Edinburgh. This is a worldwide encyclopedia, not the encyclopedia of New Edinburgh.
Bottom line: nothing you've said makes her notable enough to be on here. Bearcat 02:28, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Maybe she was the first on to start the layout electronically. Do you know anyother papers that started their layout before 2003, most likely but you don't know.A lot of people who interview Adrienne Clarkson are mainly people who work for big papers, but is it really often for a person working for a community paper? Can you answer me that? Maybe she is not known, but maybe in the future she will be known. Her husband works for the Canadian Foreign Service, maybe their will be an article on him, and might need one on his wife. So instead of looking at the present, think about the future. There are a lot of articles on wives of famous people. Also, (i know i told you this), but read the article. She is a diplomat, mother, activist, defender and newspaper editor. Does she more than that to get on to Wikipedia? Tell me. I really want to know.

Will in world

  1. Do you know anyother papers that started their layout before 2003, most likely but you don't know. Um, I personally worked at a newspaper that was using electronic layout in 1994. And, ironically enough, it was in Ottawa, which means Carolyn's paper wasn't even the local leader in that regard, let alone a worldwide one. It wasn't even a particularly radical new approach when we did it.
  2. Does she more than that to get on to Wikipedia? Yes, she does have to do more than that; she has to be notable, for one. Bearcat 23:26, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

DELETE NOW!!! I don't want this article up any more. You can delete now. Will in world

  • Delete. Doesn't meet WP:BIO. Corvus 22:02, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

I don't want the article up anymore. Im the editor. Just delete the article. Do you know how? just let me know. Will in world


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