Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Carole E. Handler

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep .Article has shown improvement. No delete vote PeaceNT 05:46, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Carole E. Handler

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Active lawyer, but by no means notable enough. She may have written papers (which lawyer does not?), but she has not been a primary subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent of the person. Btw, partial copyright violation from [1]. Edcolins 20:24, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

• Neutral The references are a bit weak. She appears to be noticed, but I think there should be better references available if she is as notable as the article claims. --Kevin Murray 22:06, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

• Keep Ms. Handler is notable, and perhaps would be if she were a self promoter. Her legal work as mentioned in the book, COMIC WARS, allowed Perlmutter and Arad to win the prized rights to X-Men and Spiderman after Carl Icahn, a brilliant financier, and Ron Perelman a tough fighter, both took a stab at cutting up Marvel as they have done with countless others. The fact that neither were successful as a result of a flaw in both of their legal team's work, and that this IP attorney uncovered it, sounds like something worthwhile. The fact that she never went public with her own info and sought a story should not exclude her. The role was written up the the New York Law Journal, but to access the article requires access I just don't have. Additionally, and unfortunately, the Spiderman court records were sealed at the time of the litigation and were only unsealed in 2003, many years after the victory, leaving only references as you see them to be made, and not a full fledged story (Business Wire; Apr 21, 2003)Juda S. Engelmayer 13:24, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your opinion. Since you have created the article (partially from [2] - see Wikipedia:Copyright violation, the article should at least be rewritten, excluding copyrighted text.), I should point out that IMHO the article is not based on reliable published sources. See Wikipedia:Reliable sources#Self-published sources: "A self-published source is a published source that has not been subject to any form of independent fact-checking, or where no one stands between the writer and the act of publication.". I am afraid I am not convinced at all by your opinion. --Edcolins 15:30, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Not sure what you mean by self published as far as this piece goes, there are many articles offered as references and none are self published, shy of the Comic Wars book website, but that book too is, in-fact, referenced in a trade journal called Managing Intellectual Property, which is present in the citations as well. I am afraid that I am not convinced at all by your argument that Handler has not done what the article suggests and the accompanying references cite. Juda S. Engelmayer 21:52, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

In addition, it appears that you have served as the American Jewish Congress’ Chief Communications Officer, [3] while Carole E. Handler was the president of the Commission for Women's Empowerment of the American Jewish Congress, so that it turns out that you have a serious conflict of interest (Wikipedia's Guidelines). I don't say that you should not participate to the delete discussion, but you should exercise great caution. And I suggest others to take into account the close relationship between the main editor of the article and the topic of the article. --Edcolins 15:43, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

I have removed the "serious" for now. The article is improving and I am thinking about withdrawing my deletion nomination after all. --Edcolins 21:08, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.