Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Carnival Ride

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Kurykh 19:06, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Carnival Ride

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Unconformed album, can't find any offical sources, basicly it's just WP:CRYSTAL. --Caldorwards4 21:50, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm withdrawing my vote now that sources have been found. --Caldorwards4 08:44, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
Why? Because unless it's more than a rumor, it is not encyclopedic. If, perchance someone could confirm the rumor and show a link here or on the talk page, that would be different.

Cheers, :) Dlohcierekim 00:08, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Switch to KEEP per User talk:24.211.19.240 and thanks. Why do they make it so hard to find and link too? Cheers, :) Dlohcierekim 19:29, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

*Delete as crystal ball material. Can easily be recreated if the article was actually true. Pharmboy 00:09, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

  • COMMENT Delete withdrawn. Should have been properly sourced to start, and KEEP crowd should learn to [don't be a dick] about other people's noms. Like 12 year olds. Pharmboy 20:58, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
  • STRONG KEEP it's confirmed.. um, check her label's website. Jrecords.com - can't link to it because the url always remains jrecords.com, but click releases on the top bar and then on the upcoming releases section, just scroll down.. pretty obviously official. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.211.19.240 (talk) 03:36, August 28, 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep Information builds along as the days pass by. It would be pointless deleting this article for the 2nd time. Now we have the name of the album and it's in her record label's website. Bull Borgnine 15:15, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
Could you provide a link? Does the source meet WP:V? Cheers, :) Dlohcierekim 15:17, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep: The name and release date of the album is on the studio website [1]. DCEdwards1966 18:28, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

:Hmm the link provided does not seem to mention Carnival Ride that I can see. God I hate websites that automatically play music. Cheers, :) Dlohcierekim 19:08, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

I am happy to read about Ultimate Santana, though. Cheers, :) Dlohcierekim 19:11, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
Google search for +"Carnival Ride" +" Carrie Underwood" +"release date" only yeilds 3 blogs/forums. Cheers, :) Dlohcierekim 19:21, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

*Delete until there is a source. - eo 23:55, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Then wouldn't that be keep since a source has already been provided? DCEdwards1966 01:03, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
Yes.... change to Keep - obviously there are appropriate sources now. - eo 13:00, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
  • STRONG KEEP* stop doing this crap. there IS a source. it's just not possible to link to it due to the nature of the website. JRECORDS.com the top nav bar has a link that says Releases. click it and then where it says "upcoming releases" carrie is listed with carnival ride for 10/23... does anybody actually think that's not good enough? this is a pretty anticipated album, having the page makes perfect sense since it IS confirmed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.211.19.240 (talk) 00:46, August 29, 2007 (UTC)
I agree! Wow, you are the first person to post such a strong response. XD He's right, the website might be running with Java or Flash, so it's not possible to see the link. Stop trying to delete the article... it really gets kind of annoying, besides seeing all the scratching on every reply. [Except mine =D] Bull Borgnine 03:00, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
Comment So sorry you may find the AfD process "annoying", but this is an encyclopedia, not a Carrie Underwood fan site. We need reliable sources for articles and this kind of thing happens a lot with anticipated future music release articles. Wikipedia is not the place to throw unsourced rumors into articles... this includes grabbing information from fan-created websites, gossip pages and message boards. If people are so adamant about creating articles for future albums and singles then they need to be providing a reliable source - and not one that requires the reader to click through 25 screens, enter search engine criteria or register their personal information to get the results. If her record label has put the album on their release schedule with the title Carnival Ride or if Underwood's official website announces the album with that title, then these are the types of sources that prompt people to vote "Keep". - eo 11:36, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment I don't find it annoying at all, but only when people want to delete an article for the second time. Have you noticed I used a the instead of generalizing? I was here in the first AfD "process" of this article, when it was untitled. I replied putting a Billboard link, which is a very reliable source, but the article got deleted anyway. But you are right, Billboard didn't have the album's name, so I suppose it's not a reliable source, yet it had its expected release date. Now we say there's a link and we can't show it to you because it's in Java or Flash, and it's Carrie Underwood's record label's official website. So just because people can't click on releases it's not reliable either...? And I really doubt that ARISTA is a Carrie Underwood fan website... I'm just sure of it! XD Bull Borgnine 15:37, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment — Agree with Bull Borgnine, information posted at Arista's Carrie Underwood page — and quite possibly Carrie's official site as well — I don't think are fansites. That said, I wonder if a discussion on the general topic of articles for albums to be released should go elsewhere (if it hasn't already); that's where I see this discussion headed. [[Briguy52748 17:38, 29 August 2007 (UTC)]]
  • Speedy keep as it has been sourced. CrazyC83 23:56, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep Keep Keep There's been a press release with cover art. http://aristanashville.com/pressreleases/details.cfm?artistid=1000011&pressid=1000307
  • Let's face it, there's no reason to be having this debate anymore. DGR 02:32, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
    • Please do not remove the AfD notice until this AfD is over. I have restored the template. Acalamari 18:51, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. Deletionists run amok. Wasted Time R 18:53, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. Pretty much everything is sourced. Smokizzy (talk) 03:50, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
  • STRONG Keep Everything is sourced now, it has been confirmed that it is her second album. The source is here. Omghgomg 07:43, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
    • Comment When can we remove the Afd tag? σмgнgσмg 12:56, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.