Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Carlo Rendell

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. 1ne 06:09, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Carlo Rendell

This article is entirely unreferenced and appears to be a hoax. John254 02:09, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

  • Delete as likely hoax, certainly unverifiable. Every article created by this author is now AFD'ed as a hoax. Fan-1967 02:23, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
    • Definitely not a hoax. You can't create pages on Cricinfo as hoaxes.[1] Ansell 03:19, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete and permaban the editor for creating a string of hoax articles. RFerreira 07:53, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete hoax. feydey 09:30, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
  • This article is not a hoax and is verifiable. A basic google search will show that the content of this article is true. Carlo Rendell was a contracted proffesional cricketer for Middlesex County cricket club between 2001-2 and attended Durham University. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 164.143.240.33 (talk • contribs) .
  • Weak delete. I agree with the unsigned comment that Ghits will verify that Carlo Rendell did play for a Middlesex cricket team. My problem is in notability (is he or the team well-known?) and the large number of unsourced claims (motivational speaker, etc). ju66l3r 10:10, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Strong/speedy delete. Vanity and/or NN. This article probably qualifies for a speedy delete, and could legitimately be flagged with {{:Template:Speedy}}. Guliolopez 10:16, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

The notion of Middlesex not being a "well known" cricket team is remarkable as it is one of the most well known proffesional sides in the world!. They play there home games at Lords Cricket ground "The Home of Cricket" and have produced many, many england players and captains including the current one. Contemporaries of Carlo Rendell included Angus Fraser, Phil Tuffnell, Andrew Strauss, Mark Ramprakash, John Emburey, Ed Joyce, Owais Shah and Nick Compton. Comments about motivatioonal speaking are true but unverafiable so have been removed.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.143.240.33 (talk • contribs)

  • Delete hoax Dlyons493 Talk 12:34, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete, nonnotable even if it's not a hoax. NawlinWiki 14:03, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Good speaker, Carlo Rendell talks on life after sport for young cricketers and footballers who fail to make the grade. His small but relateive success after failing in his sport is a fine example for others as is reflected by his page. For those of you who have not heard of Middlesex CCC I am quite frankly appalled that you choose to make a comment to delete this man's page. Middlesex is one of the sporting institutions of this country, playing at Lords cricket ground as the above writer mentions. To bring this man's existance into question is a slight not only on him, but on the cricketing and youth coaching community as a whole. Please only comment on an individual when you have the slightest idea what you are going on about.Richardss 14:20, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

However to add to this, I agree that he is only well known in certain fields.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Richardss (talk • contribs)

Above user comments were added by profile User:Richardss. This user account is likely a sockpuppet created solely for he purposes of voting in this discussion. Guliolopez 14:38, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

"Comment" It is fairly evident that many of the people passing judgement on Carlo Rendell’s notability have no understanding of cricket and the community that surrounds it. It is therefore impossible for them to comment on his notability within cricket circles with any authority. Perhaps they should keep there ill informed opinions to themselves or do some more research on cricket in England. I am a Middlesex member and am genuinely sickened that Middlesex County Cricket Club was called into question. I do hope these people look it up to see what a mistake they made. Carlo Rendell played for the club for the best part of three years and was a contracted professional, which I believe in its own write makes him notable! How the opinions of those in question would be swayed if it was a sport they actually had the patience or intellect to understand.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.143.240.33 (talk • contribs)

  • Comment - Please remember to keep your comments civil (don't insult others' intelligence). That being said, if you can add reliable sources confirming your claims to the article, it would be immensely helpful. Even if Carlo is notable, his article could be deleted due to the lack of reliable sources. Srose (talk) 14:52, 17 August 2006 (UTC)


  • Comment It apears relaible sources have been added which include The International Cricket Council(They are the governing body for Cricket in the World), The England and Wales Cricket Board(They control cricket in the British Isles and register only proffesional cricketers on there website), Cricinfo(which carries the names of all crickters who have played proffessional cricket and is considered THE website for cricket and one the most trafficked sports websites on the web), and Cricket Archive which is quickly becoming one of the most comprehensive cricket websites avaliable. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 164.143.240.33 (talk • contribs) . Please sign your comments using four tildes at the end of your addition.
  • Delete Any full-length featured articles about this person in Magazines, Newspapers, Books? Any Featured segments in TV news reports? The the websites really are not acceptable per wikipedia standards. --Brian (How am I doing?) 18:51, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

unclear on what is not acceptable about them brian?

Delete as per the data currently available. The consensus that we had in WP:Cricket is that any first class cricketer is notable enough to have an article. But Rendell seems to be only a County Second XI player. Tintin (talk) 09:45, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Add : and even for the second XI, he has played only one match. Certainly not notable enough in terms of cricketing achievements. Tintin (talk) 09:49, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

What a relief it is to have someone comment on this article that actually has an understanding of the game and can give acurate critisism. I refer back to previous comments and stongly urge "wikipedians" to only comment on things that they understand as some of the statments made previously are illinformed at best and could be percieved as down right ignorant by others. It seems utterly absurd for individuals from parts of the world that dont play cricket to make judgements on the game and its players. What do others feel? refering not so much in relation to this article but more generally in specific feilds of knowledge?

    • Comment That is not how Wikipedia is set up. You do not need specific knowledge in a certain area to comment on AfDs or contribute to an article, nor should you urge anything of the sort. Please stay civil, and become more familar with wikipedia's policies before making comments like this. --Brian (How am I doing?) 13:40, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Your comments have left me somewhat chagrin. I understand your piont of veiw though, but still find the system a little frustrating. There are individuals associated with wikipedia who know alot about said subject(cricket)and they are very well placed to comment it may not be my place to ask but was offering a suggestion. Im sorry if i was not civil Brian and it was not a personal attack. I am worried that certain parts of wikipedia will be left in a detritus as a results. Once again i am sorry if you took offence to my remarks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 164.143.240.33 (talk • contribs) .

  • Speedy delete as nn-bio. Career consists of a single second-team match, so fails WP:Cricket notability guidelines. Stephen Turner (Talk) 10:28, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Invidious position this man is clearly not as notable as mike ogburu. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 164.143.240.33 (talk • contribs) .

  • Daedal were this individual more celebrius he would have no arraignment on his page and as such the present locus has lead to disconsonant doctrines on the definition of notable. The guidelines, though clear, do not legislate for personal preference and administrators are perhaps too demurring to challenge the boundaries of the aforementioned guideline specifications. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 164.143.240.33 (talk • contribs) .
  • Comment: Big words alone do not a useful, intelligent, comment or consensus make. Also, please use 4 tildes after your comments to sign your posts for clarity of the discussion. ju66l3r 22:37, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete Not enough activity as a professional cricketer to allow sufficiently neutral and verifiable comments. No context for the expansion of the article. Ansell 03:19, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete — per Brian. Dionyseus 05:37, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete I've not been convinced by the keep arguments and the article itself doesn't scream notable at me. Mallanox 21:31, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
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