Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cardiff Cubs

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was speedily deleted under WP:CSD A7. Snoutwood (talk) 19:41, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cardiff Cubs

Contested prod. Article is about an amateur softball team. A Google search turns up information on volleyball and pool (billiards) groups, but nothing related to softball. Delete as per WP:V unless reliable sources are provided to verify the article's claims. --Allen3 ^talk 17:08, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

• I have produced this article as a starting place for an online presence for the Cubs. I am one of the players. We have formed this club in the past two weeks. Existence of the CSA is backed up by evidence at this website address - http://www.trytime.org.uk/cardiffsoftball —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mocyoung (talk • contribs) .

• Okay, but what about your softball team makes it notable enough to warrant inclusion in an encyclopedia?. Wikipedia is not, among other things, a web hosting service. (see WP:NOT). -- MarcoTolo 18:00, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom; NN per User:Mocyoung's "formed ... in the past two weeks" comment above. Angus McLellan (Talk) 18:04, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

• This team - and in fact the league - was produced entirely through the efforts of UK-based baseball fans who, with the nearest available softball teams established in Bristol, decided to set up their own self-funded self-promoted self-run softball league.

Instances of sport in Britain are mainly based around the core elite of popular sports - football (thats soccer to Americans), rugby, tennis, cricket, golf and snooker. Walk into any sports shop in the UK and you are hard pressed to avoid racks full of football shirts, golf clubs and cricket bats. Recognition for minority sports is scarce - even the nations broadcaster, the BBC, only features them sporadically in small segments on Sunday afternoons and during large sporting events.

Popularity of baseball and softball may be small but it is sizable as evidenced by the efforts of BaseballSoftballUK to reinstate baseball and softball into the 2012 London Olympics. Any online resource - such as Wikipedia which is well known and respected - should be able to encompass one minor article detailing the efforts made by a group - no matter how small - to publicise minority sports.

Softball is different to many sports in that it is mixed-gender. Due to the segregation imposed by many sporting bodies - including the one where male and female footballers/soccer players are segregated by age regardless of ability - it is hard to find any other sport where gender is presented as an irrelevancy.

Encylcopedias are not just collections of information, they are charters of history. Previous incarnations of the CSA have failed due to lack of publicity and interest. If this one succeeds then Wikipedia will have had an article detailing it from its inception.

I hope my argument is valid. I would not want to violate any rules intentionally. I believe this article should remain. At present it is a stub, to be expanded upon when more details, profiles, results and other miscellanea are readily available. I beg users' indulgence in this matter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mocyoung (talk • contribs)

• Speedy delete per A7 as a sports team article with no assertion of notability. TheProject 18:54, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.