Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Capclave

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merged/redirected `'юзырь:mikka 18:04, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Capclave

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Whilst the Washington Science Fiction Association might arguable merit a mention, its convention does not. This is cruft, maintained by officer of the asssociation who is asserting ownership see [1]. Delete this. -Docg 23:48, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

  • Delete. Unless Capclave itself has received media recognition, it's not notable. Someguy1221 00:22, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. The convention itself barely has around 400 attendees. I say it's a violation of WP:N.Shindo9Hikaru 00:38, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
    • Raw attendance numbers are a lousy criterion. The annual Bilderberger meetings are always under 200, and well worth an article. There may be other evidence of its non-notability, like it's lack of media recognition. Studerby 13:56, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge and redirect Merge the article, albeit with some editing, into the Washington Science Fiction Association article, as the WSFA meets notability requirements and Capclave is a prominent activity on their part. Keep Capclave as legitimate redirect page. (I certainly can't find any other uses on Google.)FlowerpotmaN (t · c) 01:15, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
  • support merge and redirect. The facts behind this convention would make an excellent paragraph or even section in the article on the organising convention. Personally, I'd like to see a lttle more information and a little less data, but that's for the interested article jockeys to work out. Not-a-keep -- saberwyn 07:16, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
    • Would also support a merge and redirect for Disclave, which is this event's predecessor, and currently up for Prod. -- saberwyn 07:19, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
      • Per comment below by User:Kovar, I am suggesting a merge of Disclave and Capclave into a holistic "Conventions" section of the WSFA article. -- saberwyn 22:05, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
        • Just for the record, I removed the prod tag from the Disclave article; essentially I thought the subsequent edits to the article had addressed the original reasons for the prodding. To be honest, I think that Disclave quite possibly does meet notabilty requirements, but that would be a separate issue from this AfD. FlowerpotmaN (t · c) 22:11, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
          • Thank you for removing the prod. That made one less thing to integrate.
  • Keep but require citations Full disclosure: I am a past Capclave Chair. This does not give me any right to include promotion in the encyclopedia or to argue for the article on that basis. It simply means that I know more about this convention than I do others.
    • I am not speaking for the convention or for WSFA. I am not an officer, a convention chair, or currently involved in any WSFA activity.
    • Doc is correct: if all I saw was [2] I'd say delete. But the writer does not own the page (see previous changes); is not an officer of the club (if required I will provide her name but not in a public forum); has no right to speak for the convention or WSFA; and is clearly ignorant concerning Wikipedia.
    • It is not appropriate to merge this with Disclave: that convention ended in 1997. Capclave is a very different convention.
    • It is not appropriate to merge this with WSFA: while the club sponsors the convention Capclave is known for itself, not as a WSFA activity.
    • To the best of my knowledge Capclave has never received media attention in print, instead it has been mentioned and discussed online. Citations are required.
    • It needs major expansion, outside sources other than WSFA or Capclave pages, and other work. This must be done in a manner appropriate for this or any other Encyclopedia.
    • If that is not done in a timely manner merge, redirect, or delete Kovar 15:58, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep per Kovar's suggestions.Shsilver 02:56, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge and Redirect User:Saberwyn made suggestions that look to be the best way to take care of several things. The information in the entries for Disclave and Capclave move to the Washington Science Fiction Association entry and the Disclave and Capclave pages redirect there. This won't be done until the weekend because I don't know how to set up a redirect yet and don't want to move chunks of text around when I'm tired. Especially since yesterday working on Wikipedia rather than just using it. Many thanks for both the incentive and the assistance. Kovar 04:14, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Requesting review of all three pages
    • Disclave page redirects but actual article should be removed.
    • Capclave page should redirect once RfD is removed.
    • These have been merged with Washington Science Fiction Association entry. Association is now referenced, Disclave is now referenced twice.
    • Capclave can be referenced by blogs of noted authors and editors - does this need to be done?
    • I believe that I can remove the tag on the Washington Science Fiction entry but given this discussion, and my being completely new to Wikipedia, I'd rather someone else do so. Kovar 18:50, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
      • Comment Well, technically the AfD isn't over, and matters concerning other articles are, in general, (although not always), best kept seperate. FlowerpotmaN (t · c) 22:19, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.