Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cao Boi

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus to delete, merge possible of course. W.marsh 13:41, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cao Boi

Page was created only because he was a Survivor. He hasn't done anything notable on the show, and their pages shouldn't be made unless they are winner or have done something notable outside the show. Also, the article name is not even his real name. TeckWiz is 12 yrs old^TalkContribs_{# of Edits} 20:13, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

• Delete non-notable. -- Gogo Dodo 01:50, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
• Merge and Redirect to Survivor Cook IslandsEnsRedShirt 06:43, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom this is "survivor hype". Stubbleboy 00:57, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
• Comment The article mentions he is a world record holder. Would that meet the notability criteria?
• Weak Keep: (1) Per WP:BIO, An Bui has been the subject of multiple non-trivial media stories. WP:BIO is unclear on the notability guidelines for reality stars, but I think he makes it. (2) Category:Survivor is full of similarly notable contestants, which suggests that he meets notability criteria. (3) Assuming he's notable, naming his article "Cao Boi" with a redirect from his real name is correct. See Wikipedia:Naming conventions (common names) (Per the example given by the guideline, we have a Pelé page, not an Edson Arantes do Nascimento page). Bui already has media coverage; my advice would be to tag the article for clean-up and revisit at the end of the season. TheronJ 20:43, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm going to sift through the Survivor category in a few minutes and nominate all the other ones with no notability. TeckWiz is 12 yrs old^TalkContribs_{# of Edits} 12:25, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

• What's your standard for reality contestant notability? Can you write something up for WP:BIO? Thanks, TheronJ 12:44, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

I just finished going through the Survivor category and found over 20 that I think aren't notable enough, and will AFD. Basically, I think if they're not a winner, and have not done anything outside of the show major, then they're not notable. Also, compare it to the Amazing Race. Only one or two people has their own article a season. That's 1-2 out of 22. Survivor is usually 15-16 out of 16.

• Keep contestents on Survivor. --badlydrawnjeff talk 22:32, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
• Delete None notable person. Survivor Hype.--M8v2 00:01, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
• Merge and Redirect to Survivor: Cook Islands per other deleted non-noteworthy reality show contestants. Ohconfucius 07:13, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Keep The obsession among some wikipedians with deleting reality contestant biography articles en masse is both disturbing and truly puzzling. These shows are watched by millions of people, and their casts are known by their first names by millions, at least for a few months. Instead of deleting reality contestant articles, I would argue that an effort should be made to improve them and even add them for some contestants who SHOULD have pages and don't. Several participants on Survivor: All-Stars, for example, do not have pages, and all of them should. Kathy Vavrick-O'Brien, who finished third in her season and became wildly popular, is a prime example. For those of you who are seemingly obsessed with removing reality articles, I would suggest that you find something more worthwhile to worry about. Just because YOU don't think that somebody is notable doesn't make them non-notable. I would argue that reality contestants are notable simply for the fact that so many millions of people can refer to them by their first names. I would suggest that the trend to delete reality articles and refer to "Survivor hype" reflects more than a hint of bias against this form of entertainment. Thus, such deletions are by definition non-NPOV. MahlerFan 14:18, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.