Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Camp Tel Noar (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was no consensus. Mailer Diablo 16:07, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Camp Tel Noar

Question: Why was the creator of this article not notified of the votes to delete? He is now, see User talk:Masterpjz9. —Preceding unsigned comment added by IZAK (talk • contribs)

• Keep, as noted by other editor in previous Afd, over 60 years old, one of three camps supported by the Cohen foundation, site of famous 1998 fire as documented in the Pulitzer Prize winning Eagle-Tribune. --MPerel ^{( talk | contrib)} 10:56, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - does not establish notability. --Tom 13:30, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep as per MPerel, and for its accurate description of Jewish life in the North Eastern USA during the summers. IZAK 13:59, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - being old does not establish notability, and since when is 60 years old? This article is almost entirely non-encycloaepdic content. Páll ^{(Die pienk olifant)} 14:00, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, since there are no guidelines for summer camps, I simply don't see anything that distinguishes this particular summer camp.--Isotope23 17:14, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. As before. Over 60 years old, one of three camps supported by the Cohen foundation, site of famous 1998 fire as documented in the Pulitzer Prize winning Eagle-Tribune, certainly as notable as many of the elementary schools listed on Wikipedia and camps listed in Category:Summer camps, such as Camp takajo or Woodward Camp, or indeed almost any of the camps in that category, almost all of which are referenced at best by a link to the camp's website. Jayjg ^(talk) 20:19, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - the article does need to be expanded, but it has been written about in the Eagle-Tribune and explains Jewish summer camp life for children in the northeast US. I would expand it somewhat, but not if it will be deleted. Masterpjz9 22:27, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as non-notable and no place to merge it. Ted 22:56, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

  Interesting opinion. I disagree. Silensor 23:33, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

• Keep as per MPerel, quite notable. Silensor 23:33, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
• Comment. I'm not about to vote delete yet, but I can't agree with some of the rationales being offered in support of keeping the article. One of three camps supported by the Cohen foundation: why is this notable? I don't think we have an article about the Cohen Foundation. Site of famous 1998 fire: the fire occurred off-season, was confined to only one building and, fortunately, caused no injuries. [1] This is not the stuff of Category:Fires, and I doubt the camp would consider the fact that they had a fire 8 years ago as a justification for listing them in an encyclopedia. In fact, I can find no Internet references to this fire other than three articles in the local newspaper (the one I just mentioned and [2], [3]). Again, that's the local newspaper. I can't find any references to the camp at all in the New York Times or Washington Post archives. Pulitzer Prize winning Eagle-Tribune: Yes, the Eagle-Tribune has won two Pulitzer Prizes, but they had nothing to do with this camp or the fire. I don't think a Pulitzer Prize conveys encyclopedicity to everything a newspaper ever has or will report on. ... I don't know enough about this camp to say it's non-notable, but I don't think the keep voters should exaggerate the importance of the camp and significance of this article. --Metropolitan90 03:31, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
  • the fire in 1998 was definately not a huge event, but it was not only on the local news, but on the news in the Boston area. Also, this is another link [4]Masterpjz9 05:15, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
    • The camp is located in southern New Hampshire within the reach of the Boston television stations, so the Boston area news is the local news. Delete per Isotope23. --Metropolitan90 07:05, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per tom MarineCorps 02:58, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
• keep please this camp is 60 years old and quite notable Yuckfoo 19:34, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - does not assert notability separating it from other summer camps; no room in Habonim Dror for merge; article in serious need of rewrite to remove POV and establish encyclopedic form. B.Wind 13:04, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.