Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Camp Miriam (second nomination)

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Mailer Diablo 09:26, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Camp Miriam

Somehow, this managed to survive an afd in May (see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Camp Miriam). It's a summer camp. The main reasons it survived last time seem to be that (a) it was Jewish (presumably if it had been a non-Jewish summer camp, deletion would have been fine... an argument I cannot quite fathom); (b) it is in Canada, not the US (somehow, Canadian summer camps are notable but US ones aren't... an argument I cannot quite fathom); and (c) the nomination was "sloppy" as it said the camp was in the US (how this relartes the the encyclopedic worth of the article I cannot quite fathom). I see no reason why this article should survive. Grutness...wha? 07:22, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

  • Keep Wikipedia has quite a few articles on non-Jewish US-based summer camps, see: [1]. Why is a Jewish/Canadian summer camp any less worthy of inclusion? Drett 08:50, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
Its obvious that Grutness meant that a Jewish/Canadian summer camp should not be any MORE worthy of inclusion. Please dont twist words around.--Musaabdulrashid 09:34, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
I haven't twisted anything. I interpreted Grutness' comments as meaning he was unaware that there were numerous articles on summer camps of all denominations and from various countries. This seems as worthy of inclusion as any of the others. Drett 09:58, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
Feel free to nominate the others for deletion. --Daduzi talk 11:18, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
Please stop twisting my words Drett. Your interpretation takes quite a bit of skill to work out from what I wrote. The article is about a summer camp and - irrespective of location or denomination - virtually no summer camps deserve separate articles on Wikipedia. Grutness...wha? 09:40, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
Nevertheless, there are over 100 separate articles on summer camps on Wikipedia, which suggests that other people disagree with you regarding the worthiness of their inclusion. You said you could not fathom the argument that Canadian/Jewish summer camps would not be deleted while presumably other summer camps would. As other summer camp articles have not been deleted, I could only assume that you did not know there were myriad other articles on similar institutions that you were not aware of - that was how I interpreted your nomination, but if I have misrepresented you, I apologise. Drett 14:55, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete non notable--Musaabdulrashid 09:34, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete no claims of notability. MLA 09:42, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep, Canadian. Delete "it's a summer camp" sums it up pretty well. --Daduzi talk 11:18, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete, unless a whole bunch of campers were massacred or something, I do not know how a summer camp could be notable enough for an encyclopedia article. -- Kjkolb 11:30, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
  • CommentShould we list the other 100+ articles about summer camps separately, or just delete them as the one? Drett 13:39, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep Jewish Camp Delete per nom. I was gonna add this to Delsort/Judaism ...but, nah! - CrazyRussian talk/email 14:41, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep, unless the entire contents of Category:Summer camps is to be deleted along with it. --tjstrf 15:09, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete. Just because other articles about non-notable summer camps have crept into Wikipedia doesn't mean this one's OK. They should ALL be deleted. wikipediatrix 15:19, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete. Funny, if this were a school, it would probably be kept. There is nothing in this article to indicate the encyclopedic value of this particular camp per WP:NOT. I beleive it is possible for a summer camp article to have encyclopedic value, just not this one. Agent 86 19:00, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete: Ix-nay on the ools-skay. Let's be very, very quiet, but there was a move (long ago) to say that every single summer camp is automatically "notable." This is just a camp, and, again, we need to ask "what makes this item unlike others of its kind?" and "what makes us take note of this camp?" The answer is "nothing, really," at this point, and, therefore, it should be deleted, as Wikipedia is not the Yellow Pages or summer fun activity center. Geogre 19:06, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. No notability stated, implied, or even attempted. The "references" are the camp's own website, a blogsite, and a copy of camp songs. Tychocat 08:23, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete. No notability. Influential on children, but no more so than a typical schoolteacher. -- GWO
  • Delete' or Merge into Habonim Dror. Fluffy the Cotton Fish 13:45, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom and Gareth Owen. Angus McLellan (Talk) 20:17, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete Not notable. Valentinian (talk) 14:58, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.