Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Calyr Elvin Church

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Delete.  (aeropagitica)  22:38, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Calyr Elvin Church

plus Calyr Church (redirect page)

Religion … in which belief, fiction, fact and faith are interwoven. Unreferenced. Possible vanity - author is Freedomelf. I presume non-notable. -- RHaworth 17:08, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

The source is listed at the bottom of the article, which is www.calyr.org. The Calyr religion is an actual religion practiced for the past 4 years by members in the US and Canada. The website calyr.org serves as their online reference. I can understand why members of other religions may be upset at the addition, but I believe that deleting this article entirely would cause legal problems with discrimination, since many other religions, even obscure ones, are referenced on wikipedia. However, if you can think of how it could be edited to standardize it for wikipedia, I am open to suggestion. :) --70.162.19.183 17:18, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

  • Delete, vanity and unverifiable. --Terence Ong 17:30, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

I apologize; I forgot to sign in when I made the comment above. Please let me know how I should edit the article to make it acceptable by wikipedia standards. Thank you. -Freedomelf 17:54, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

  • Delete per WP:V and WP:NOR. Only info I can find is on their website... no external references that this is a religion that is practiced by any significant number of people.--Isotope23 18:01, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete Unverifiable. A religion that appears to be unknown to anyone except itself. Fan1967 19:11, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per Isotope23. Sandstein 19:34, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

I have contacted the other members of the church, and all 16 have agreed to abide by your decision on whether or not to delete this entry at this time. I apologize if I have offended anyone by putting up the information about our organization. -Freedomelf 19:37, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

  • Comment No apology is necessary and please don't take this personally; it's not meant as an attack or indictment of you or your beliefs. If this page does get deleted at the end of the AfD process, and at some point your group can meet WP:V criteria, there is a process for undeleting pages that you could initiate. There are a number of smaller and/or obscure religions listed here, but they all meet WP:V (see Discordianism for a good example).--Isotope23 19:57, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete Religion claiming 16 members (according to the above), seems to be primarily internet-based, yet website has no Alexa rank, which is hardly a good sign. No Google hits for Calyr Evin. Unverifiable at the very least. Looks very interesting though. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 20:53, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your kind comments. I will take your advice to heart and check out the other pages. Thanks again. Freedomelf

I wanted to add one more thing, if I may, before I close. I'm afraid that my fellow Calyr and I were quite clueless as to google hits, etc. for a web site. We had been working on putting our books of faith on the web for months, but had not gotten it finished until this week. The site was only actually published day before yesterday, and we had a party to celebrate with all of our members (except the one who lives in Canada). One of our members suggested putting an entry in wikipedia and I volunteered to do so for the group. I realize now that we were much too hasty, and should have built up a web presence. I am very grateful for your instruction, Isotope and Starblind. I hope that as we grow in knowledge, we will be able to resubmit the entry at a future date, if it is taken down now. In the meantime, I think I will study other entries on the site to gain some experience. Thanks again and good night. - -Freedomelf 06:46, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.