Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/California Aerospace Academy

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirected to Aerospace Museum of California after merge. This is not ignoring consensus, but rather this merge and redirect occurred during the discussion. —Kurykh 19:31, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] California Aerospace Academy

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Announcement for a new school which hasn't educated a single pupil yet ("We are currently enrolling 7th and 8th grade students"). No indications of notability, the reference which gives the impression of citing an independent reliable source leads to an empty website of a local newspaper (with 5 Google hits for its name). High on a tree 00:08, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

  • Strong delete, possible A7 speedy candidate. Just not a notable school, at least not yet. Possibly a case of WP:CRYSTAL too. Ten Pound Hammer • (((Broken clamshells • Otter chirps))) 00:16, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete not notable and look like WP:CRYSTAL. Oysterguitarist 00:35, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong Delete No assertion of notability, a good ol example of jumping the gun. If this were on any organization other than a school it would definitely be an A7 candidate. Per WP policy (saving for obvious attack or nonsense pages) articles on schools can never be speedily deleted, because of the controversy that typically surrounds their deletion, some community members argue that all schools are inherently notable, which is not an opinion I agree with. Rackabello 00:38, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong delete. My crystal ball shows impending oblivion for this article. Realkyhick 00:52, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Speedy delete--We need to get rid of this thing fast, before all of the prospective teachers and prospective students of this prospective school start creating prospective articles about themselves. Qworty 00:57, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
School articles do not qualify under speedy deletion criteria, possibly with the exception of CSD G10 for blatant attack pages. Rackabello 03:25, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. I could cite WP:CRYSTAL but it's already been don... damn. Definitely NN too ;) EyeSereneTALK 19:32, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete (With Reservation). First, as the original author of the page I want to say a few things. I respect Wikipedia's mission and policies. And after reviewing the notability criteria, and the WP:CRYSTAL guidelines, I do not have an argument against either of these. BUT, I want to state for the record, that all those who posted that it should have a speedy delete, should review the Criteria for Speedy Deletion, as they do not seem to apply in this instance, and I think proposing such a thing does not give enough chance for someone to bring up legitimate arguments against the deletion. Also, as a teacher in the Grant district, I am hoping to encourage the students to be bold, and post Wikipedia articles about their school. I think it is an excellent way for them to learn about wikis, and about citing sources, and NPOV and all the other things wikipedia stands for. But when I see people in a mob trying to delete articles so quickly, I would hate to encourage a 10 year old to be bold about writing about their school and have their page deleted under their nose. I think the Wikipedia community should consider this issue with education, especially with kids, and see if it is willing to make exceptions to its notability policy for students posting about their own school. Since I'm not a student, I don't apply to my proposed suggestion, and that is why I too agreed with current deletion. --Pordaria 23:30, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
Comment (substance copied from Wikipedia_talk:Notability#Exception_to_Notability_for_Student_Editors_.28kids.29.3F_Or_not.3F) Encourage the kids to write about ANYTHING but their schools - go to the library, research some notable scientific or historical fact, and create a reliably-sourced WP article on that. Or just contribute by editing. UnitedStatesian 01:44, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Question. Does the article qualify for a speedy now that its author has voted for deletion? Qworty 02:10, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
That is an interesting "Catch 22" of my argument isn't it? Even though I voted to remove the article, I think my original point about allowing time for people to vote is still reasonable. I don't like seeing "lynch" mobs on these things :-) Also, I think that people should have time to post to my question on the discussion page about notability policy. At this point, I don't think that the consensus or majority will be for my suggestion, but I think it is fair to let others have input in the issue on both forums before doing a speedy deletion. --Pordaria 02:29, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
not a speedy, if there are others who will speak for the article. I will--I'd like to see some discussion of what are the factors in whether a school that is not yet open can be notable. Perhaps there are already sufficient third party stories, since it does seem to be a little unusual and might well become notable. If not, then no prejudice against re-creation after it has gotten some notability. DGG (talk) 04:46, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
as for students writing about their own schools, most of us try to encourage them to learn how to contribute usefully, and get experience on other articles first, and then ask help in rounding up sufficient information to show notability. If it's explained, they understand--many young teen agers are valued contributors here. DGG (talk) 04:48, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
On the other forum where I posted about the general topic of notability for schools, someone gave me the excellent idea of having students post to the MySchool wiki on Wikia first, so they can learn about wiki editing. I have moved the article from Wikipedia to that wiki. I still think it is good to allow a few more days of discussion, but because a more suitable home for the page has been found, I don't mind a speedy deletion. I think the fact that a speedy deletion was not done, allowed for good discussion about this topic, and coming up with a "win win" solution. --Pordaria 19:49, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
Thank you! I founded that wiki and have been waiting for people to notice it. Please feel free to copy any school articles to that wiki, where there are no notability requirements for schools. -- But|seriously|folks  04:43, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
I think you really mean to say feel free to transwiki in accordanace with GFDL. Dhaluza 10:00, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Merge to Aerospace Museum of California. It is relevant in that context. Dhaluza 01:15, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.