Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Calgary Jr. A Mountaineers
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was Keep - Peripitus (Talk) 12:24, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Calgary Jr. A Mountaineers
A lacrosse team with questionable notability. ♥Shapiros10WuzHere♥ 22:05, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
- Keep team at the top level of junior lacrosse in Canada, and hosting the Minto Cup this year - a 108 year old competition.[1]. At worst, I'd suggest moving to Calgary Mountaineers and expanding the article to include the Sr. B and Jr. B teams, all of which appear to be part of the same overall organization. Resolute 23:22, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
"Comment "Junior" lacrosse? Is that adolescent lacrosse? Just wondering. ♥Shapiros10WuzHere♥ 23:25, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
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- I am not entirely certain on the age group involved specifically, but I believe it is similar to junior ice hockey, which is the age group of 16-20, with the majority of players being adult. I believe what you are thinking of is minor lacrosse, which is for younger age groups, and would be a better example of adolescent (or juvenile) lacrosse. The top levels of junior lacrosse feed into the top major leagues (the National Lacrosse League and Major League Lacrosse) as well as the top senior leagues (Ontario Lacrosse Association and Western Lacrosse Association), so teams at this level will have produced notable players. I am not as well versed on the history of this specific team, so could not produce an example off the top of my head. Resolute 23:34, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
- The thing is, I nominated it due to questionable notability. A 16-20 year old lacrosse team? a) I don't think that a 16-20 year old team of anything is notable. ♥Shapiros10WuzHere♥ 23:38, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
- Well, I would then ask you to read the article on the Calgary Hitmen and tell me a 16-20 year old team of anything is not notable. Personally, I certainly believe the Mountaineers organization is notable. The Senior squad has won a national championship, and the Junior A squad is hosting one this year, and has played for it in the past. This is why I suggested a rename and expansion as a possibility. I've left a note at WP:LACROSSE to make that suggestion. Resolute 00:01, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
- Delete as there's not indication of notability in the article. And since I don't think that being a team of 16-20 year olds is inherently notable, delete Bfigura (talk) 23:59, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
- Comment once again It isn't fair to compare junior teams between different sports. And anyway, just because a "seniors" team wins a championship doesn't mean that their "juniors" team is notable because of it. Notability#Not Inherited. ♥Shapiros10WuzHere♥ 00:04, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
- You said that you didn't think any team of 16-20 year olds was notable, I showed one that is. ergo, that argument is a non-starter, would you not agree? As for the senior vs. junior team, my point is that they are parts of one organization. i.e., the opening sentence would be: "The Calgary Mountaineers are an organization in the Rocky Mountain Lacrosse League that hosts a senior and two junior teams..." Resolute 00:08, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
- May I correct myself? I thought that the WHL was for an older age group. I change my mind, but that is about it. And, you should at least push for a merge with Calgary Mountaineers. ♥Shapiros10WuzHere♥ 00:18, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
- The WHL is the highest level of junior hockey, much as this is the highest level of junior lacrosse. There is no article on the senior team to merge to, at present, which is why I argued for a move and an expand in scope, if this article is decided not to be kept with its current scope. Resolute 00:37, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
- May I correct myself? I thought that the WHL was for an older age group. I change my mind, but that is about it. And, you should at least push for a merge with Calgary Mountaineers. ♥Shapiros10WuzHere♥ 00:18, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
- You said that you didn't think any team of 16-20 year olds was notable, I showed one that is. ergo, that argument is a non-starter, would you not agree? As for the senior vs. junior team, my point is that they are parts of one organization. i.e., the opening sentence would be: "The Calgary Mountaineers are an organization in the Rocky Mountain Lacrosse League that hosts a senior and two junior teams..." Resolute 00:08, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
- Strong Keep Top tier team, feeder system for National Lacrosse League, not all too different from Minor League Baseball. As well, the team competes for the Minto Cup... very notable. This team is comparable to what teams in the Canadian Hockey League are to ice hockey. DMighton (talk) 03:56, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
- Strong Keep Top level team which feeds into the Top level professional league. There are hundreds of equivalent articles in other sports that could easily be a precedent. I am not saying this should exist because they do I am just suggesting that its a pretty clear cut keep. -Djsasso (talk) 20:19, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
- Comment Have you bothered looking at the page? There is barely anything. ♥Shapiros10WuzHere♥ 21:02, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
- Keep Meets the required notability guidelines for sports teams. Per WP:ATHLETE (can't find the one specifically for sports teams) Gary King (talk) 19:59, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
- Weak Keep, not sure that there's a notability criteria for junior sports team, but being in the top tier would indicate notability to me. Lankiveil (speak to me) 11:16, 27 April 2008 (UTC).
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
