Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Café Nervosa

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was God I hate to do this but... NO CONSENSUS. Default to KEEP. On a personal note, while I agree that not everything that's recreated is a solid contender for inclusion, I would say that persistance in creation is sometimes an indicator that it MAY be appropriate to IAR and allow something to stay. - Philippe 02:47, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Café Nervosa

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... A fictional coffee shop from the TV show Frasier. It's previously been AFD'd with a result of merge/redirect, recreated, prodded, deleted, recreated, restored and is sadly back with us again today. It's not at all relevant in the Frasier article (and therefore is a bad candidate for merging) and has no notability of its own - no reliable sources and has been tagged for cleanup since 2006. Delete and salt please, or at best redirect and protect. -- Naerii 13:18, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

• Keep it has a book written about it, titled 'Cafe Nervosa', the Frasier article is quite long so a merge would be unwieldy. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:33, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

• The cookbook appears to be some kind of fan merchandise; is it notable in itself? The book isn't "written about it", it's a recipe book that includes some quotes from the show (see Amazon). The title ("Cafe' Nervosa: The Connoisseur's Cookbook") is presumably just to tie it into the show. That's not evidence that this fictional cafe is actually notable. -- Naerii 13:49, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
• This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT (talk) 17:47, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. -- BelovedFreak 18:40, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vishnava (talk • contribs)
• Delete/Redirect/Salt the Earth No notability on it's own, no coverage in reliable sources, the cookbook is just a promotional vehicle. Re-creation should be blocked so we don't have to go over all this again. Beeblbrox (talk) 19:21, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
• Comment - Only reference in the current article is a geocities site. I'd !vote delete here, but I'm not familiar enough with the show; someone who knows it better may be able to find a good source for this. --lifebaka (Talk - Contribs) 20:09, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

• Delete. Although it was a fairly standard third place "swing" set used in a number of episodes, it wasn't iconic for the show in the way that Central Perk was for Friends. --Dhartung | Talk 21:09, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
• Keep per appearance on notable show AND a book. Definitely verifiable and even in an extreme worst case scenario there is a logical merge/redirect point with the show article. Best, --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 23:36, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

• comment I don't recall anyone mentioning verifiability, but rather notability via coverage in reliable sources, which would not include a cookbook promoting the show. Beeblbrox (talk) 00:10, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

• Well that's your take on sources, which is not necessarily universal. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:35, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

• No it isn't universal, but it is the consensus view of the majority of Wikipedia editors, as reflected by the notability guideline. Beeblbrox (talk) 18:40, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

• Delete/Redirect/Merge with Fraiser article. As a fan of Fraiser I can tell you that the cafe was a prominent location within the series. However, I doubt that makes it notable enough to have its own page.Insearchofintelligentlife (talk) 01:42, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment: Please note that per Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Divinediscourse Insearchofintelligentlife (who voted "delete" above) is using a sock account in multiple AfDs. Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 22:01, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
• Merge to Frasier. Stifle (talk) 14:31, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
• Delete, redirect and salt as above. No claims for real-world significance here. Does not merit an individual article. Eusebeus (talk) 18:47, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
• Merge and redirect to Frasier, per above ¨victor falk 14:26, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
• Keep as per pro-arguments and other non-real places that have survived afds.Londo06 14:39, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.