Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cadillac Don & J-Money

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Conscious 12:47, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cadillac Don & J-Money

Cadillac Don & J-Money (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Appear to be insufficiently notable. Delete. --Nlu (talk) 08:09, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

• I am also nominating the article on their album Look at Me (album) (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) for deletion. Same reason. --Nlu (talk) 08:12, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Bec-Thorn-Berry 11:36, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Article has added new notable sources. --Chrisottjr 16:44, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
• Article is under contruction. You cannot base an opinion on the fact of an unfinished article. --Chrisottjr 04:40, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Based on the information that's already there, it has been shown that this duo is not only not shown to be notable, but has been shown to be non-notable. And if you hope to be persuasive, stay off personal attacks. --Nlu (talk) 04:47, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
    • No, you're the one attacking. --Chrisottjr 05:04, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
• "Has had a charted hit on any national music chart." Meets this criterion. --Chrisottjr 05:04, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
• "Has been placed in rotation nationally by any major radio network." Meets this criterion. --Chrisottjr 05:04, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
• "Also mentioned in the All Media Guide at http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=11:mr1m961oaepo. (AMG Artist ID P 825654) --Chrisottjr 05:04, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Any verifiable citations for any of these claims? --Nlu (talk) 14:06, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
    • Read the bio at http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=11:mr1m961oaepo. The page is very much in line with what was "published by a reliable source" as stated at WP:V. --Chrisottjr 02:35, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
      • Also note that the AfD has been removed from the artist page, so this is no longer an issue. Sorry you didn't get your wish. --Chrisottjr 02:35, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
        • Removal was improper based on Wikipedia guidelines. The remover has been warned. Any further removal will draw a block. --Nlu (talk) 02:42, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
        • One more note: the biography page that you cited did not establish any of the notability criteria that you asserted. --Nlu (talk) 02:43, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
          • http://billboard.com/bbcom/bio/index.jsp?JSESSIONID=FyvcJrpLvvpVGWtz1hx0YJ0RyjwPTfhzbtYvQTTTQMJzhjvh9fHL!1508189187&pid=774662 --Chrisottjr 04:55, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
          • http://billboard.com/bbcom/discography/index.jsp?JSESSIONID=FQZ7Tsj5FH7YMwwSlJmpWYpTxTvvDhX4c2GRS4Gv3CdgtnCbXpyc!2045378558&pid=774662&aid=810100 --Chrisottjr 04:55, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
          • http://billboard.com/bbcom/retrieve_chart_history.do?model.vnuArtistId=774662&model.vnuAlbumId=810100 --Chrisottjr 04:55, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
            • Again, how do any of these establish any of the notability criteria? --Nlu (talk) 05:36, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
              • I do not see why the decision of this page is entirely up to you! It doesn't say that anywhere in the rules! I'll spell out some guidelines in the notability criteria, too. --Chrisottjr 16:12, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
                • "2. Has had a charted hit on any national music chart." This criterion is documented in the article, under the singles section. Notice that it appears on two national charts, which can be verified specifically & not vaguely http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/retrieve_chart_history.do?model.vnuArtistId=774662&model.vnuAlbumId=810100, specifically. The numbers are specifically in line with the Billboard.com chart postings. Are you saying that Billboard is not a verifiable source? --Chrisottjr 16:12, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
                • "A good online resource for music and musicians is the All Music Guide (http://www.allmusic.com/), which gives a level of indication as to what a band or musician has done." As I stated before, much of the information documented in the article comes from this source.

• Please also note that Cadillac Don & J-Money is part of Asylum Records, a known record company featuring notable rappers such as Bun B, Cadillac Don & J-Money, Cam'ron, Lil' Boosie, Lil' Flip, Lil' Wyte, Mike Jones, Paul Wall, Pimp C, and Webbie, to name a few. --Chrisottjr 05:04, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
  • http://www.asylumrecords.com/new/artists.php --Chrisottjr 05:04, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
• New album also includes acts featuring notable rappers Bun B & Paul Wall. --Chrisottjr 05:09, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
• XXL Magazine has now been cited in the article. --67.46.0.13 22:23, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached
 Please add new discussions below this notice. Thanks, ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 23:14, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

• I see enough notability to pass WP:MUSIC, so a keep is probably appropriate. I'd like to see the sentences that are taken directly from other bios, like the one at AMG, rewritten, though. Tony Fox (arf!) 06:42, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, charted artist meets WP:MUSIC. Does need to get rid of the obsolete infobox, per WP:MUSICIAN, and more sources would be good, but as a stub, it's ok. Xtifr _tälk 08:34, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.