Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/CJ Johnson

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Trebor 11:38, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] CJ Johnson

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Previously deleted as part of a multiple AfD, but has been re-created with a little more notability claimed. A minor MTV part, a few awards - does it have enough now? EliminatorJR Talk 23:20, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

This article looks like it does. The necessary corrections were made. It was already looked over by wiki editors and even edited and tweaked by some. The MTV part was actually the main part and he was the only person to make two reoccuring appearances. He was also the first african american to come from the island Kwajalein to write for it's newspaper and go on to be a filmmaker. The reason why this article was deleted because it was added in a clump to another article that was not noteworthy. At the time, I did not know the rules for creating articles. After wiki editor was nice enough to welcome me and give me the rules and guidelines, I added the articles that were truly noteworthy. So, it got overlooked like some articles do. I believe EliminatorJR may have overlooked that this article has already been looked at by other wiki editors. Now that correct changes have been made. It is a noteworthy article. Judging by the name "Eliminator" it sounds like someone's just a little deletion happy.lol. It happens. But, yes, this article is noteworthy. If there are suggestions for improvement then they should be suggested and myself or another wiki editor should take into account if those suggestions make this article better. So, I believe the deletion tag should be removed.JoeyC5 00:31, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

  • Comment Look here for where my username comes from! Having said that, I've had good dig through Google (this guy is very difficult to search for because the main character from Grand theft Auto is called the same thing)and given his appearances in two series of the MTV show - the article suggests it was two shows - I'll withdraw this one.Changed to Neutral per below. EliminatorJR Talk 01:19, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Then maybe the title of the article should be changed to his real name? He wasn't on two series for MTV, he was on one but made reoccuring appearances.JoeyC5 02:06, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

If you look at the talk page you will see that this article has already been looked at by other wiki administrators. This article is constantly being improved like all wiki articles. It is a noteworthy article. If there are suggestions for improvement then they should be suggested to make this article better. This deletion tag should be removed. JoeyC5 03:24, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

keep - Elminator JR removed his nom. Please review talk discussions for the page itself and this talk discussion so, you can see the tag needs to be removed. JoeyC5 18:32, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

  • Comment Hang on a second - I withdrew my !vote, but the AfD is still running. Other people can still comment on it. EliminatorJR Talk 23:01, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Delete the article. As for CJ Johnson, he has a mention on the article page of the MTV series that he appeared on twice. That is the only point here with with verifiable notability. Everything else here is a list of accomplishments, but nothing notable. As we know, accomplishements in and of themselve are not inclusion criteria for WP. Notability from verifiable recognized third party sources is required. I stronglysuspect as well that there is conflict of interest at play based on the writing style/tone of the article and the contributors closeness to the article and the film that was eliminated under the multiple AfD mentioned above. This whole article is seriously looking like somebody's resume and not at all encyclopedic (list of high school awards???) —Gaff ταλκ 18:37, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

  • BTW: The Kwajalein Hourglass is not a newspaper or anything at all resembling a valid reference. Appears to be the local newsletter for the community living on the military base. —Gaff ταλκ 19:00, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

No there's no conflict of interest. This is one of the first articles I wrote. The accomplishments are easy to find. It's not a resume. There are key notable points. He was the first and youngest african american from the island, Kwajalein to write for the newspaper, writing about teenage life on the small island. Then there is also the two appearanes on the MTV series. Everything else is biographical information. This artile was deleted before because when I first wrote it, I did not meet wiki standards. Then I rewrote it to meet the standards, following guidelines precisely. That is why Elimator JR removed his nom and other administrators have already looked at this article. Please read the talk on this article. JoeyC5 18:44, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

The Kwajalein Hourglass is a U.S. government funded newspaper with valid reference. The above BTW comment was made after my response. This editor is tampering with the debate. I'm also not voting twice. I'm just explaining to the above editor why this article should not be nominated for deletion. Please review this article carefully. Thus far, the administrator who made this nom, removed it and I have requested to keep this article up. Only Gaff has requested it for deletion. JoeyC5 19:06, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

  • Comment. JoeyC5, you can't vote twice. Please strike out your second "keep".--Cúchullain t/c 19:33, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment Joey5 has accused me of "tampering" with the debate. This is entirely unfounded, as the edit log will show. I have made no alterations to any comments or done anything inappropriate. humbly, —Gaff ταλκ 19:40, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm not voting twice, just restating the obvious. I deleted the second keep that I wrote. Very, very sorry about that. I thought Gaff was tampering with the debate because he added a "BTW comment" and he placed it before my response to make it look like he said it before what I said. I'm not sure, I apologize if there was indeed no malicious intent. JoeyC5 19:42, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Keep After reading the article it is okay, but, there are some noteworthy things like being the first african american to do the things written in the article. Also, after reading this whole debate plus the talk page you can see that the editor who wrote this article stated he/she has made corrections to meet wiki standards. It's fine. Does need to be tweaked though. Radioheadwanderer 19:49, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

  • Suspected sock puppet or meat puppet User:Radioheadwanderer created the username today and has made no contributions to WP other than commenting on this AfD.—Gaff ταλκ 19:51, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete two (from what I can deduce, minor) appearances on one show doesn't really make him notable, in my opinion. He might warrant inclusion in the show's article, but not as an article as his own. Will (We're flying the flag all over the world) 21:26, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete no claim to meeting WP:BIO let alone proving the required reliable sources to verify it. Nuttah68 20:51, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Weak delete Show appearances may make him slightly notable, but this could easily be merged into a related article. G1ggy! 11:17, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.