Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Buster Gonad
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. Yamamoto Ichiro 会話 05:46, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Buster Gonad
Fails WP:FICT and WP:V. Until recently, this was a redirect to Viz (comic). Jauerback (talk) 18:56, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
Merge into Viz (comic), then delete this article. Wildthing61476 (talk) 19:00, 14 January 2008 (UTC)Keep article as listed now. Wildthing61476 (talk) 13:43, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
- Delete. Don't even bother about merging, this is just a plot outline from one episode. BlinkingBlimey (talk) 19:03, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
- Keep it. Admittably, it's a stub at present. On the other hand, people can add extra detail in future. If the article is deleted then that's simply not possible and it will have to be created all over again. There are lots of other articles re. Viz comic strips:- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Viz_comic_strips Some have more detail than others, but (as with any Wikipedia article) each can have extra detail added in future, so long as it's not deleted. Let's face it, every Wikipedia article has to start somewhere. The current 'Buster Gonad' article represents a foundation on which others can build, so I'm surprised that anyone would consider deleting it before that has happened.Nabokov (talk) 19:22, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
- These are not valid arguments for keeping the article (WP:LOSE and WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS). Redfarmer (talk) 20:20, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
- restore the redirect. Catchpole (talk) 20:50, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
- Weak keep. Other comic characters have articles of their own.--Him and a dog 20:57, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
- What about X is not a valid argument for keeping an article. BlinkingBlimey (talk) 21:02, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
- Keep. One of the most well known of all the Viz characters. In fact possibly the most famous Viz character. More notable than the vast majority of the many other Viz characters with an article. I will even add references establishing notability myself if it isnt deleted. He has appeared in Viz hundreds of times. As for him not being verifiable, have you even googled him? Willy turner (talk) 21:45, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
- Keep - famous British comic character. Davidbod (talk) 01:08, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
- Keep. The Daily Telegraph calls him one of Viz's "classic inventions"[1]; the BBC says he's a "star" and a "household name"[2]; for the Independent he's the protagonist of a "classic toilet-humour cartoon strip"[3]; the Financial Times calls him a "people's favourite"[4]; to The Observer he's an "indispensable read"[5]; and he even gets name checks in the British Medical Journal[6] and Eminem's biography[7]. How many more reliable sources do we need? Phil Bridger (talk) 15:51, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
- Comment - this argument by far has the most weight of any of the previous ones. Had these sources been cited in the article, I would probably have never put it up for AFD. However, even these articles are pushing the cusp of "if they have received substantial coverage in reliable secondary sources." definition for WP:FICT. They all mention Buster Gonad, but the character is not the subject of the article. Jauerback (talk) 16:32, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
- Weak Keep - based on my comment above. Jauerback (talk) 16:32, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
- Comment - the citations mentioned by Phil Bridger have now been added to the Buster Gonad article, together with additional information. The reason those citations weren't added earlier was because the article was little more than a stub. Look at the history section and you'll see that it only had any significant detail added in November 2007, when I started editing it. If the article had been allowed to grow for a few more months then it's likely that more references would have been added in the future. Incidentally, I also seem to remember that during the Gulf War at least one of the RAF bombers featured Buster Gonad nose art [8](as well as Johnny Fartpants, so I've added that reference. Ditto the fact that framed copies of the Buster Gonad cartoon are now collector's items[9]. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nabokov (talk • contribs) 13:34, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
- Comment - In the future, I would advise you to create an article/stub with notability established from the beginning with references from verifiable sources. You can't continue to use the argument of "allowing it to grow". Yes, a stub should be given an opportunity to do so, but if there is no notability shown from the very start, it's going to be very hard to justify its inclusion. I did a Google Search (both web and news) before I nominated it, and I was unable to find any verifiable sources within the first 3-4 pages of search results (there were no results at all for the news search). I would recommend you start going through the other Viz comics and ensure all their notability is established before another one gets nominated for AFD by someone else. Jauerback (talk) 14:02, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
- Tip. When you do a Google news search you only get by default entries for the last month. If you click on "all dates" on the left it searches the whole archive. That's how I got the first five of my refs. The BMJ one came from Google Scholar and the Eminem biography from Google Books. Phil Bridger (talk) 15:32, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
- Comment I know about that, thought I had clicked it, but apparently, I hadn't. Thanks, though. Jauerback (talk) 16:22, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
- Comment I've been making the same mistake, useful to know, so more thanks. It doesn't change my vote, though, I still think (as a Viz reader) that the cultural impact is from the comic as whole, rather than individual characters. I recognise I am going to be in a minority of one on this though! BlinkingBlimey (talk) 16:27, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
- Comment I know about that, thought I had clicked it, but apparently, I hadn't. Thanks, though. Jauerback (talk) 16:22, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
- Tip. When you do a Google news search you only get by default entries for the last month. If you click on "all dates" on the left it searches the whole archive. That's how I got the first five of my refs. The BMJ one came from Google Scholar and the Eminem biography from Google Books. Phil Bridger (talk) 15:32, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
- Comment - In the future, I would advise you to create an article/stub with notability established from the beginning with references from verifiable sources. You can't continue to use the argument of "allowing it to grow". Yes, a stub should be given an opportunity to do so, but if there is no notability shown from the very start, it's going to be very hard to justify its inclusion. I did a Google Search (both web and news) before I nominated it, and I was unable to find any verifiable sources within the first 3-4 pages of search results (there were no results at all for the news search). I would recommend you start going through the other Viz comics and ensure all their notability is established before another one gets nominated for AFD by someone else. Jauerback (talk) 14:02, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
- Comment - the citations mentioned by Phil Bridger have now been added to the Buster Gonad article, together with additional information. The reason those citations weren't added earlier was because the article was little more than a stub. Look at the history section and you'll see that it only had any significant detail added in November 2007, when I started editing it. If the article had been allowed to grow for a few more months then it's likely that more references would have been added in the future. Incidentally, I also seem to remember that during the Gulf War at least one of the RAF bombers featured Buster Gonad nose art [8](as well as Johnny Fartpants, so I've added that reference. Ditto the fact that framed copies of the Buster Gonad cartoon are now collector's items[9]. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nabokov (talk • contribs) 13:34, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Comics and animation-related deletion discussions. -- Hiding T 14:53, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
