Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bus Rapid Transit in Cardiff

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was No consensus actually no valid arguments were made on either side. (Default keep). AfD is the wrong venue to discuss article content or proper article name. JERRY talk contribs 22:54, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bus Rapid Transit in Cardiff

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Premise for the article is innacurate, the system in Cardiff while having some BRT features in common with many towns in the UK, it is not a BRT system compared to those in the List of guided busways and BRT systems in the United Kingdom MickMacNee (talk) 16:00, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Comment:So how or what many BRT features are needed to be classed as a BRT system? If this is the case, I can see other BRT systems that do not necessarily meet the criteria such as the one in Swansea Welshleprechaun (talk) 19:40, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

According to this brochure from brt.org, under "brt should have", off highway running (i.e. busway), optionally guided, is listed first. In this fact sheet, exclusive running is also listed as the first requirement. At the end of the day, looking at these documents, and all the other systems in the UK, the exclusive running requirement looks to be mandatory, as all other features more or less can be seen on normal bus systems around the country, which are never refered to as rapid transit. Coupled with the fact as someone already pointed out, googling bus rapid transit and cardiff produces zero results, as opposed to Swansea. MickMacNee (talk) 20:52, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Wales-related deletion discussions. —User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 04:41, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
  • A little bit of searching reveals no relevant information. Many of the hits are either mirrors or coincidences (i.e. pages that happen to contain "Cardiff" and "bus rapid transit"). If not even Google can find reference to Bus Rapid Transit in Cardiff, on the balance of probabilities it probably isn't there - Delete. 90.203.45.168 (talk) 20:42, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

This is Wikipedia, not Google. Can you then explain what features of the Swansea or Gateshead/Metro Centre systems make them BRT that Cardiff doesn't have? Welshleprechaun (talk) 23:48, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Information on Wikipedia must be verifiable - this is one of the few non-negotiables policies we have. The lack of any relevant results on Google for what would in theory be a fairly massive project initiated within the last 10 years is a fairly sure sign that the article represents novel synthesis. 90.203.45.168 (talk) 18:28, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
Swansea uses FTR vehicles, off bus ticketing, traffic signal priority, and 'stations'. Gateshead uses a busway (not a bus lane). MickMacNee (talk) 14:48, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Bduke (talk) 10:36, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment. There is little opinion above about whether the article can be kept or has to be deleted. Is a change of name and some editing a possible course of action? --Bduke (talk) 10:37, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
  • On balance, Delete, as the article only came into existence after an opposed attempt to include cardiff in List of guided busways and BRT systems in the United Kingdom. I maintain the title and content is factually incorrect. I don't think a rename to say High quality bus routes in Cardiff would last too long without someone putting it up for deletion, not that I would object to it's existence. MickMacNee (talk) 14:22, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment. But what about something more general such as Buses in Cardiff and then expand and rewrite? --Bduke (talk) 21:50, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
Transport in Cardiff is pretty light on bus information and could probably be better used as a starting point for a general article of that nature. With the BRT references removed, the current content would be better situated in Cardiff Bus. MickMacNee (talk) 22:04, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete or Redirect to Transport in Cardiff and rewrite. The intention was to create a bus rapid transit system of sorts but in reality this has not happened due to opposition from residents of the streets where bus lanes were to be introduced. Plus, for other reasons mentioned like the design of the buses and ticketing, the premise of the title Bus Rapid Transit in Cardiff would be confusing since it does not currently exist in reality. Tommy874 (talk) 22:00, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.