Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bunk (CSI episode)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirected to CSI: Miami (season 1). BLACKKITE 01:41, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bunk (CSI episode)

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Non-notable episode of CSI Miami. Ridernyc (talk) 19:27, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

• Delete but this really is but a drop in the non-notable episode article ocean. RMHED (talk) 20:10, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. One drop at a time... JohnCD (talk) 20:43, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
• Comment. CSI: Miami is the world's most popular TV show. If any series merits episode stubs, it's this one. I'm concerned that we're creating massive, institutional violations of WP:NPOV through excessive application of WP:N.--Nydas^(Talk) 21:08, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

individual episodes have to meet there own criteria for inclusion. For example, pilot episodes, award winning episodes, controversial storylines etc.. Really how many episodes of any tv series merit anything more then a plot summary which violates WP:Plot, Wikipeida is a real world world encyclopedia for things that have real world context. You just can not do that with tv episodes, the series as a whole yes but endless minutia of detail about episodes and charters and plot lines are better served somewhere else. Ridernyc (talk) 22:02, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia has enough Star Trek and Doctor Who fans to find something 'notable' about every episode of those shows. We do not have very many crime fiction fans; should crime fiction therefore be pulverised in light of this?--Nydas^(Talk) 14:57, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

so you are saying it's bad that certain groups care enough to follow the rules on wikipedia, while others just create cruft.Ridernyc (talk) 16:03, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

One group is tiny, another is huge. Would you support annihilating articles about towns in Africa because no-one can be bothered adding sources?--Nydas^(Talk) 19:13, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

one group has a 30-40 year history, one group is a set of shows that have been on for a few years and have no history. You bring up two shows that are considered cultural landmarks, that's a poor way to make a point, now if you had said something about Law and Order episodes you would have a point. The reason those shows have large groups of editors supporting them is because they made a huge cultural impact, that is why you can insert real world context into them. Ridernyc (talk) 19:57, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

The cultural impact of the CSI franchise has been immense; see the CSI Effect. The reason Doctor Who and Star Trek have large groups of editors is down to Wikipedia's systemic bias, not their cultural impact. Notice the minimal number of episode articles we have for I Love Lucy and Dragnet (series), both incredibly influential shows.--Nydas^(Talk) 21:24, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

When there are 100 conventions a year with prople dressing up like David Caruso, then we can talk about CSIs huge cultural impact.Ridernyc (talk) 21:34, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Most conventions mean virtually nothing in the real world. Still, your view that sci-fi fandoms matter more than legal systems is probably the majority view on Wikipedia.--Nydas^(Talk) 21:58, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Not to intrude on this lovely argument you two are having, but the cultural impact of CSI or Dr. Who as a series has just about nothing to do with this debate, which is about an individual episode. What cultural impact does this episode have? Where is the notability for this episode? (And Wikipedia:Television episodes tells us that the same question needs to be asked about any article on any individual episode of any television show. If a Dr. Who or Star Trek episode don't meet the requirements, by all means either fix them or AfD them, just like any other article.)--Fabrictramp (talk) 22:30, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

No Doctor Who or Star Trek episode is ever going to be deleted because (a): they have lots of fans to vote 'keep' (b): they have lots of fans to discover trite little bits of 'real-world' information (c): they have lots of fan-orientated publications devoted to documenting factoids. You could argue that "oh well, fan-orientated TV shows just happen to satisfy our episode notability guidelines, and normal TV shows just happen to fail them." In which case, it's OK to eliminate all the African town stubs.--Nydas^(Talk) 10:56, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

• Oh lord, redirectify. Will ^(talk) 11:46, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
• Redirect to CSI: Miami (season 1), as per Wikipedia:Television episodes. No claim that this individual episode meets WP:Notability. (why did this even get to AfD?)--Fabrictramp (talk) 15:30, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
• Comment I always AFD things like this, if I just tried to redirect this without going through AFD it would create a huge nasty edit war. Sad but that's the way things are. Ridernyc (talk) 15:58, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

• If the AfD result is to redirect, than you can revert any un-redirect attempts any time, and, if need be, alert an admin to protect the page in its redirected state. – sgeureka ^t•c 16:19, 29 November 2007 (UTC) I misread your statement and thought there'd be edit wars despite the AfD. Nevermind. :-) – sgeureka ^t•c 17:54, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

• yes I know that. TThat's why I send things here to get the AFD result. Without that, issues like this one will tend to turn into nasty edit wars that will end up here anyway.Ridernyc (talk) 17:03, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Makes sense. I still do the redirect one time with an edit summary that explains why, in the spirit of not biting the newbies. If it gets reverted without meeting Wikipedia:Television episodes then I AfD away with a clear conscience. :) --Fabrictramp (talk) 17:14, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

• Delete as non-notable. If there was more content, I'd have gone for redirecting, but the one line of plot summary can safely be deleted. – sgeureka ^t•c 16:19, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
• Redirect to CSI: Miami (season 1) per WP:EPISODE, and please don't bring things to AfD just to avoid edit wars. AfD should be the last resort, not the first. DHowell (talk) 23:05, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

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