Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Buffyverse canonical issues

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Keep and move to Buffyverse canon. Discussion of a merger can continue on the talk page. Essjay (Talk • Connect) 10:16, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Buffyverse canonical issues

Novel research and wikipedia is not a platform to discuss these issues, non of the cited references (except for some cited forum discussions) gives convincing evidence that something like this exists. Should probably at least be moved to the Buffyverse project pages. Koffieyahoo 01:46, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

  • Merge with Buffyverse. Does contain a bit of OR but the author seems to have put in quite some work to write & atleast try to reference it. Merge it with the Buffyverse pages & if references still don't turn up soon, then deletion should be considered. --Srikeit(talk ¦ ✉) 06:02, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Merge with Buffyverse. I don't think a daughter article is required. Paddles TC 07:17, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Merge with Buffyverse. Were people writing stuff like this about Doc Savage, back in the day? Vizjim 12:12, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep and Rename to Buffyverse canon, so that it mirrors (very) similar articles like Star Wars canon and Star Trek canon - CNichols 15:47, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Merge with Buffyverse. Interesting to BtVS fans, but doesn't seem sufficiently distinct for a page of its own. Espresso Addict 19:01, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep and Rename to Buffyverse canon, as per CNichols. Carioca 20:25, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep Star Wars and Star Trek have canon articles. Why not Buffy? Ace of Sevens 11:19, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
    • Comment The difference with the Star Wars and Star Trek canons is that those are much more established. While, if I look at the Buffy canon I essentially see one relevant quote/reference:
      Joss Whedon was asked How much attention do you pay to the peripheral stuff, the novels and the comics?. Speaking of those he did not write himself, he responded Not very much. I just don’t have time. I give them a few guidelines of things they should stay away from, things that we’re going to be dealing with or things that would disrupt the canon or things that are just antithetical to what I believe in.
    From my point of view no evidence (in the form of references) is provided that the canon as mentioned in the page is actually the canon. -- Koffieyahoo 11:42, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep and Rename to Buffyverse canon - A Buffyverse 'canon' is still referred to by people all the time; by the shows' creator, by writers who have written for Buffy/Angel, by people who have written for the Buffyverse Expanded Universe (books and comics), and by fans all over the world. It is true that the Star Wars canon and Star Trek canonare more clearly established and defined whilst the Buffyverse canon is a bit more fluid. However should wikipedia be discounting articles just because they deal with topics that are hard to define.
"From my point of view no evidence (in the form of references) is provided that the canon as mentioned in the page is actually the canon."
"essentially see one relevant quote/reference"
Is deletion really neccessary just because the article is presently insufficiently referenced. Why not let the article be improved - there are plenty of sources that discuss Buffyverse canon on the web, for example here is Mariotte's take on canon from Comicbookresources.com:
"Fans should be careful not to treat the comic as the "official" continuation of the franchise, as Mariotte explained. "Typically only what appears on the screen is considered canonical. If the original property's creator writes something -- like Joss writing comics about his own characters -- then I guess you can consider it canon even though it's on page instead of screen."
There are plenty of quotes from Pocket Books writers, Dark Horse comics, IDW writers.. who have commented on 'canon', and such quotes can be used to reference the article. I would be willing to improve the referencing over the next few weeks.
Merging with Buffyverse is one option, but won't it make the 'Buffyverse' article unneccessarily long? -- Paxomen 02:55, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep and Rename to Buffyverse canon as per above. --Merovingian {T C @} 02:58, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep and Rename to Buffyverse canon - As mentioned above, the referencing is inadequate in places but can be improved within the next few weeks (I too will be willing to help with this task). -- Buffyverse 13:10, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep and rename to Buffyverse canon - This can help in crease the size of the article and help it fit in with convention. -- Majin Gojira 20:10, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Merge with Buffyverse, trim the unnecessary bits and tidy up the OR bits. NP Chilla 11:40, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep and Rename to Buffyverse canon as per above Markeer 14:38, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep and Rename to Buffyverse canon --Wolfmoon 11:27, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.