Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bryson Voirin

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Delete. JWSchmidt 21:48, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Bryson Voirin

Person in question is non-notable...this is a vanity page Nsb3000 17:51, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

• THERE IS NO ARTICLE FOR THIS xaosflux ^Talk/_CVU
• Delete DJ Clayworth 22:42, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
• Comment: Can someone close the AfD please? The article has apparently been speedied. - Just zis  Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] AfD? 23:57, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
• Comment, it wasn't speedied, there was a typo in the title on this page. - Bobet 00:39, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Another attempt at inclusion for this person; see [[1]] from earlier this year. Voirin is a research assistant at a college. Although he assists someone who may be notable in her own right, I can't say that Voirin meets any Wikipedia notability standard. This [[2]] and this [[3]] are pretty much as big as it gets. Delete, unless someone can wow us with a bigger accomplishment. Sawney 14:55, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, and speedy and protect given that it's apparently been deleted more than once already. - Just zis  Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] AfD? 17:00, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
• Speedy delete as previously deleted and nn-bio. Stifle 02:11, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
• comeone change my daiper i farted
• Strong keep A notable topic. This is not a vanity page. I know the person behind this article-- I don't even even think that this person has ever met Mr. Voirin. Pincus 03:45, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Notability is in the eye of the beholder. Perhaps he is not notable to the users advocating deletion, but within environmentalist circles and here in southwest Florida, Voirin is notable. The criterion for inclusion of articles on wikipedia is verifiability, not necessarily notability, which is just way too subjective. The material is entirely verifiable and notable to enough people, so there is no reason to delete the article. JMaxwell 06:31, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment. Yes, notability on Wikipedia is a de facto standard, not a de jure one. But there are precedents that can provide guidance. Because of the vote and explanation above, I did another search on Voirin to find out if I was missing anything significant, and especially to find documentation on the claimed notability "in environmentalist circles and...in southwest Florida."

Regarding the latter, the only reference I could find outside of New College of Florida articles/blurbs/advertising and Wikipedia mirrors is a Sarasota Herald-Tribune article [[4]] about college fundraisers. Voirin is mentioned in the "Young volunteers" section regarding an auction gift he gave. Are there any independent media references of significance? This would help his case for inclusion tremendously.

Regarding the former, he may indeed be noted to some extent in environmentalist circles, but there are hundreds of thousands, if not a million or more, people in south Florida alone who are as notable or more notable for what they do, or have done, in their respective circles. These people may be accountants, artists, executives, technologists, or practically anything else. These are the many people who simply do a job in a particular industry and do it well enough to be notable to some reasonable extent among a dozen, a hundred, or a thousand of their peers. Many, many people in the working world, and some students, are in this category. There are tens of millions of them in the U.S., an order of magnitude or two more in the world. Very few have articles on Wikipedia; very few, if any, should. If Voirin can be shown to have done anything more significant than the many millions discussed here, he might have a case for inclusion. Sawney 04:11, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

• Delete based on no verifiable claim of notability (saying you've heard of someone doesn't make him notable). And there already was a consensus to delete this before at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/James Voirin. - Bobet 11:14, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
• Keep The article is verifiable, not the speculation on this discussion thread. Good P**** H** 06:47, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Verifiable in the Wikipedia sense that every claim made can be substantiated from trusted neutral secondary sources? Plus, my personal benchmar is "does this person get more relevant Google hits than I do?" Answer: no. I get just short of 5,000 and nearly 35,000 in the Usenet archive. Bryson Voirin scores 100 and zero respectively. - Just zis  Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] AfD? 14:43, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

• • The number of Google hits is meaningless. They tell us nothing of quality but rather of quantity. Please do not suppress information based on falulty logic. Good P**** H** 02:57, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
    • As requested above, can anyone supply even one quality Google hit? Sawney 05:53, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
• KEEP I voted to keep the original article too. I knew the topic was important then. I know it's even more important now. Goldstein307 05:46, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.