Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brodie Bruce

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was keep (nomination withdrawn) without prejudice to possible merger with Mallrats. Metamagician3000 07:27, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Brodie Bruce

One of several articles about characters from Kevin Smith movies that should probably be reviewed. Character appeared in one movie, Mallrats, and that article looks like a much better place for this info. --Mr Wind-Up Bird ✈ 01:01, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

  • Comment. Two, if you count Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back. As for the article itself, I have no opposition to its existence. If it goes, it can redirect to Mallrats. Fluit 01:36, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Neutral, agree with existence of article in principal, but strong WP:NOR and WP:V problems. Brodie may indeed be an anti-hero with some interesting facets to explore, but somebody else needs to have explored them first, and you need to show us where. Deizio talk 01:57, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment I'm trying not to be bias since I wrote the article, so I mostly agree. This may just be my relative unfamiliarity with WP politics and procedure, but why not propose to merge this article with Mallrats, rather than delete it? I also believe there is a relatively strong precedent for fictional characters having their own articles on WP, especially if there are some interesting things to be said about them that depart from simply rehashing events in the movie. And yes, I will go dig up sources for talking about Brodie as a sage and anti-hero. Again, why not flag the article as not citing sources, instead of deleting it? Aguerriero (ţ) (ć) (ë) 02:53, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep notable characters from notable flicks. --badlydrawnjeff (WP:MEMES?) 03:07, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep pending sources, otherwise Merge with Mallrats. I agree with Aguerriero that AfD was probably not the most appropriate tag here. --Cheapestcostavoider 03:25, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment. It's not the quality of the article -- even with sources, I would have been inclined to nominate. I'm just not persuaded that the character has a strong enough presence outside the film to warrant his own article. Are we expecting people will do searches for this character without first going to Mallrats? If not, then it's a little too close to fancruft for my tastes. --Mr Wind-Up Bird ✈ 03:41, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
    • Well, given that he's in two movies, not one, and that the actor has recieved more prominence as of late for his role on that TV show, I think it's a reasonable expectation. --badlydrawnjeff (WP:MEMES?) 03:53, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
    • Well, the article seems to assert that he does, so it might have made sense to request verification first. And in any event, don't you think a merge & redirect would be better than just outright deletion? --Cheapestcostavoider 04:41, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Merge into mailrats M1ss1ontomars2k4 05:10, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Fair enough, I withdraw the nomination. I'm still not convinced this character should have its own page. However, I'm fairly new to the whole delete/merger thing and in my inexperience, I acted hastily, and failed to follow the correct procedure. Clearly, this isn't the proper forum. Aguerriero, if you still strongly feel that the character deserves its own page, I'll let you work on backing that up and properly propose a merger should I still disagree. --Mr Wind-Up Bird ✈ 05:40, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete We simply do not need articles on every single movie character for which some claim of notability can be made. I think a compelling argument needs to be made why this should be separated from the movie's main article page, which is not the case here. Eusebeus 17:57, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
    • One: The character has been in two movies, so there's no good merge target. Two: the person who plays the character, Jason Lee, is the star of a hit TV show, and people may be interested in reading about some of his other characters. --badlydrawnjeff (WP:MEMES?) 18:20, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment I've been thinking about this question of whether fictional characters need their own articles, and I offer this thought - in most of the "universe" phenomena in the entertainment world, characters have their own articles on WP. A "universe" is defined as an entire body of work in which the films (or shows), comics, books, and characters are packaged and embraced as whole. For example, the Star Wars universe, The Simpsons, Buffyverse, and of course, the View Askewniverse, from which Brodie and Mallrats are derived. In all of the examples cited above, individual major (sometimes even minor) characters have their own articles, simple becase a large and enduring fanbase is interested in reading them. Does there need to be another reason than that people want to read it? Aguerriero (ţ) (ć) (ë) 18:51, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep Despite being a Kevin Smith fan (at least, a fan of his first four films), I was on the fence on this one- I love the movies, but I wasn't sure if Brodie merited an article. But Aguerriero just convinced me. If minor Star Wars characters have their own articles, then major View Askew characters certainly should. -- Kicking222 20:49, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete. WP:OR Brian G. Crawford 21:06, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
  • redirect to something Kevin Smith-related. once you delete the editoralizing commentary, you're left with nothing anyhow.Roodog2k 22:56, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep Significant character in more than one film. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 01:18, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Merge or delete, per above. Stifle (talk) 01:05, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Merge into Mallrats. Certainly doesn't merit outright deletion. Badgerpatrol 01:14, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Merge Ewlyahoocom 20:33, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep Significant character. I've seen other smaller articles in Wikipedia that just one/two line character descriptions.--D2K 12:54, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Merge With Mallrats. Beno1000 21:30, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.