Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brendon Urie

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. In the interests of WP:BIO, any unsourced biographies should be redirected to the Panic! at the Disco article and then expanded out as proper references can be provided. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 22:08, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Brendon Urie

Unnotable singer of Panic! at the Disco. Fails all notability criterias, and article doesn't state why person deserves an article. And that other band members have articles is not a criteria for it to be kept. Hence, should be deleted (and possibly merged into band article). Same goes for the remainder of the group, which I am also nominating:

--HarryCane 14:10, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

  • Speedy keep for all, appears to be bad-faith nomination. NawlinWiki 14:33, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep Band has hit 1mil+ on album sales, fueling upsurge in personal attachment of Brendon to band P!atD in mag and online media. Article in current form just not well developed, suggest re-nominating after a good cleanup and filling in blanks Hackajar 15:13, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

:Delete Jon Walker or Merge to Panic! at the Disco does not meet notability criteria. --digital_me(Talk•Contribs) 15:23, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

FYI, this is page for Brendon, not Jon. (Don't know how to mention in nice way with only text, sorry if sounds rude) Hackajar 15:52, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
All of the articles link to this AfD, so I assume that this is just one big AfD for all of them.
Yeah I saw that and added a Jon Walker below (maybe you can migrate this converstation down there (as you started it), I don't want to get hand slapped by HarryCane for moving your Jon comments Hackajar 16:45, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

:Keep meets the notability criteria laid out at WP:BAND. --digital_me(Talk•Contribs) 15:23, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Comments: About the bad-faith nom, that's not the case at all. I'm actually a pretty big fan of the band, just don't think the band articles qualify for notability. This is a combined Afd for all the aritcles mentioned in the nomination (as proposed on WP:AFD), so there's no need for an extra section for each seperate article. And lastly, the criterias from WP:BAND apply, yes. But only to the band, not its individual members. That's a major difference which many of the articles' editors don't seem to realize, as they are recreted/made redirects/recreated/etc. every now and again. Especially since the articles don't state their notability, it would be reason alone to delete them. --HarryCane 17:01, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
Alright, I think that merging them all would be an acceptable solution.--digital_me(Talk•Contribs) 17:09, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
Comment. Being a verifiable member of a major, notable band seems like an assertion of notability to me. I see nothing in WP:BAND to dispute this. Irongargoyle 17:37, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
Comment Brandon Flowers of The_Killers_(band) along with all other band mates of that band have pages. I picked this band as example because a.) they are both from Las Vegas b.) they are both rock bands c.) they both started gaining popularity between 2004-present d.) Killers wiki page and associated articles is example of well organized band on wikipedia. Hackajar 14:04, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
Yet, as I also said in the nom: The fact that other band members have pages does not justify the necessity of the Panic! at the Disco articles. And those striking similarities between the bands... well. Just because somebody is in a Las Vegas rock band does not make him notable for a Wikipedia article. --HarryCane 14:24, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
In that case please address two concerns I have 1.) What has another band (we can take my example of Killers) done to get forked pages, that P!atD has not. You can also provide an example of a successful AfD for band member page. Then point out what worked for that band and bring it here. 2.) Opening AfD with "The fact that other band members have pages does not justify the necessity of the Panic! at the Disco articles" as a means to circumvent WP:BAND requriments tested before seems to be 'Framing the debate' and intentionally attempting to crimple any argument to support sub-pages, such as individual band member pages. How can you justify that statement as not an attempt of 'framing the debate'? Hackajar 14:48, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
I'm not framing the debate, I'm merely pointing out that every Wikipedia article has to stand for itself. Each article must state why the subject is notable. Referencing other articles in the sense of "If this guy gets an article, so should I!", is not a valid criteria for notability on Wikipedia. That's the whole point I was trying to make with the statement you quoted, you see. I hope this clears up the concerns. --HarryCane 19:03, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep all. Change in band members has drawn press coverage and considerable controversy. I would say these are all notable (and verifiable). Irongargoyle 17:29, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep all - Being a member of a majorly notable band makes you notable. --PresN 20:47, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Merge to Panic! at the Disco
  • This comment was added by 70.161.99.170, not logged in user Hackajar 13:19, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Keep them, fans of this band want to know their members. Since panic is now big-status, it makes sense to have a page for the band members.

  • This comment was added by 68.38.68.244, not logged in user! If you want this to count please login and re-submit your request! Hackajar 15:17, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
I am assuming that these past two comments were not changes in your votes Hackajar, the way they are worded and signed makes them a bit confusing. Irongargoyle 16:29, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
Irongargoyle, yes, this was just to clear up "Above comments are not signed, and were place here by IP address, not user". Usually comments by IP addresses are not weighted same in AfD's as they could just be sock puppets for someone else ;) Hackajar 16:59, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
Hackajar, you can simply use {{subst:unsigned|68.38.68.244}} to avoid all confusion. :) --HarryCane 19:03, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep all, obviously worthwhile members. --badlydrawnjeff talk 11:01, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Redirect Brent Wilson & Spencer Smith to Panic! at the Disco as both articles fail WP:V miserably. No predjudice against recreation of articles at the namespace (or keeping them) if someone wants to take the time to actually source these articles. Keep Ryan Ross & Jon Walker. At this point, they meet WP:BIO and the articles are adequately sourced.--Isotope23 14:09, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
    • Comment. I have done my best to reference all the band member pages. There is plenty of verifiable information out there for people who would like to add more. Irongargoyle 22:14, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
    • Keep all They are a highly successful band. If their pages are deleted, then they will just be re-added as time goes on —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Captainjames (talk • contribs) .
  • Merge and redirect all to the Panic! at the Disco page until sources are provided, fails verifiability policies as stated above. Yamaguchi先生 08:23, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Speedy keep all, they are all members of a very obviously notable band. --musicpvm 20:00, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment: I have cleaned up Brendon page, added citations, and more information, removed bogus information, and asked for citations on two comments I cannot confirm. I have also tried to put article in Wiki Bio format as close as possible, and ask others help as I hit a brain block on how to go further. With this said, article is (IMHO) within Wiki Bio guidlines, meets WP:BAND, and has most citations referenced. Doing a google search (as suggested by Wikipedia:Notability_(people)) shows 109,000 English hits on Brendons name[1]. Finally, Google trends shows his name on an uptick[2] as compared to Brendon Flowers of The Killers (band) Fame.Hackajar 17:32, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
Here's another chart with k-Fed [3]
  • Speedy Keep Like it or not, these guys have grown to a point where they meet WP:BIO and WP:MUSIC. Yanksox 20:38, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
  • keep all. panic! are one of the rising bands of the year, if not the biggest. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.20.184.208 (talk • contribs) .
  • Comment People should read this comment in regards to Notibility in general when dealing with AfD's. As it was suggested by the main AfD page. Hackajar 21:40, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.