Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brede Arkless

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Keep per introduction of WP:RS beyond obits Eluchil404 00:00, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Brede Arkless

Nothing stands out as exceptionally notable about this rock climber, and WP:NOT a memorial. Suggest deletion. RFerreira 00:57, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

• Delete google search showed obits and wiki mirrors. --Pboyd04 01:03, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per the above. Memorials are pretty clearly spelled out in WP:NOT. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 01:05, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-07-04 01:24Z
• Delete per above. -- Captain Disdain 02:14, 4 July 2006 (UTC) Keep. Thanks to the excellent edits by trialsanderrors, I feel the article now not only establishes notability but is also properly sourced. Good job! -- Captain Disdain 00:57, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, Wikipedia is not a memorial. --Coredesat talk. o.o;; 03:25, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, Wikipedia is not a memorial.(IIIV 04:10, 4 July 2006 (UTC))
• Delete per above and I might add WP:V or WP:RS for good measure, as there is only an aobituary cited and there only appear to be like sources available. SM247^{My Talk} 04:29, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, has no ark. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.8.81.232 (talk • contribs)
• Strong Strong Strong Keep WP:NOT an obituary, but various obituaries from WP:RS confer notability. [1] [2] [3] [4]. Also [5]: Irishwoman Brede Arkless, a mountain guide now living in New Zealand, attempted Everest via the North Col pre-monsoon this year, hoping to be the oldest woman (she is 54) and the first Irish woman to climb Everest. Unfortunately she had to give up at 8500m with severe altitude sickness. Lazy nomination. ~ trialsanderrors 06:08, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. A notable story.--Tdxiang 06:49, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
• Comment There aren't that many articles on her in the major newspapers, but what there is is WP gold: First off is the news from Lochcarron mountain guide Martin Moran, that his five-strong Anglo-Indian expedition succeeded in their attempt to repeat Eric Shipton and Bill Tilman's epic, and nearly fatal, 1934 crossing between the Hindu temples of Badrinath and Kedarnath in the Garhwal region of the Indian Himalaya. Moran, who arrived back in Scotland last weekend, recommended the 14-day crossing as "a good way to lose three-quarters of a stone". He continued: "We were not exactly in prime condition. I had just recovered from injuries sustained falling off my roof, Brede Arkless is in her sixtieth year and John Harvey in his fifty-seventh. That we did succeed was due to good teamwork, enthusiasm and determination for the project, and considerable luck with the weather which stayed good for the crucial col crossing." — The Herald (Glasgow) June 20, 1998. Someone with RfA ambitions should jump on this and turn it into a featured article. ~ trialsanderrors 06:59, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Just another dead mountaineer. -- GWO
• Keep - firstly my apologies to the lady for obviously not having done her justice in my original stub. But I would have thought that even your most dismissive posters would have paused for thought when noting that she had an obituary in each of the UKs 'liberal' newspapers. Her fame rests in her success as being the first female alpine guide at a time (late 1960s) when that profession was both _completely_ male dominated, and also dubious of UK mountaineers. Her dedication in the 70s to the developing of all-female mountaineering was also a very important and pioneering contribution. (Her subsequent contribution to NZ mountaineerng has also been noteworthy, I gather, though largely unrecorded ). She is clearly much more important than say some minor male US-football player, and a failure to recognise this in WP is both blinkered and arguably sexist. Bob aka Linuxlad 10:31, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep an obituary in The Times, The Guardian and The Independent is a fairly clear sign of nobability. Stu ^{’Bout ye!} 11:21, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per all the above. Receiving obituaries in such high-profile newspapers indicate this is not just a regular mountaineer. - Mgm|^(talk) 12:54, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. The links provided not only demonstrate notability but give us verifiable sources. Exactly what we need. --kingboyk 12:57, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep for revelation of new information (Newspaper report links), which was added by Trialsanderrors after this AFD begins. --WinHunter ^(talk) 14:35, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per above. -- Alias Flood 19:35, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, seems notable indeed. trialsanderrors has convinced me, and newer edits have helped. HumbleGod 21:51, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Not notable enough for an encyclopedia. Many obituaries, even in leading newspapers, are about subjects not notable enough for wikipedia Bwithh 21:55, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment She had a number of articles on her during her lifetime, about 20 in total from three five different countries if I include obits, not including mountaineering magazines. Passes my T&E:510 test with ease. ~ trialsanderrors 23:49, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per lots of good references. nn Ziggurat 00:57, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. The fact that she was the first female mountain guide makes her notable. Her climbs add to this. The fact there there are articles about people in other sports who are much less notable than her is of course not a good argument but it is true none the less and should give some thought to those who know nothing about moutaineering. As a mountaineer, she is clearly notable. --Bduke 02:30, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

• Note: This Afd has been added to Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/New Zealand ~ trialsanderrors 00:58, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
• 'Keep The Guardaian Unlimited obituary contains in the lead sentence "became of iconic significance in the huge expansion of women's participation in mountain activities." Translated to wikispeak, that means she is highly notable. For a baseball example of iconic significance, think Jackie Robinson - he is so notable that he generates contact notability for people like Clyde Sukeforth. GRBerry 03:03, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per User:trialsanderrors, User:GRBerry.-gadfium 03:48, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
• Weak keep, but I don't have to like it --Ori Livneh (talk) 03:51, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. obituaries, etc. -Seidenstud 06:21, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per trialsanderrors. -- Avenue 11:04, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Important to both North Wales and female climbing history. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.73.99.6 (talk • contribs)
• Keep - a remarkable woman and well worth a place here. TerriersFan 02:45, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per trialsanderrors, notability established. Yamaguchi先生 04:29, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per obits Maxamegalon2000 23:33, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.