Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brecon VHF-transmitter

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep; recommend merging these to the locality, to the backbone article, or to each other. —Quarl (talk) 2006-12-31 06:05Z

[edit] Brecon VHF-transmitter

Brecon VHF-transmitter (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)
Flint TV relay (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)
Guildford Transmitter (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)
Heaton Park BT Tower (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)
Sutton Common BT Tower (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)
Swingate Transmitter (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)
Woofferton transmitting station (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

As per AfD precedents set by Ohconfucius and listed at: User:Ohconfucius/Far2manymasts, all the above UK mast/relay sites fail WP:N. Wikipedia is not a directory, a indiscriminate collection of information or the MB21 transmitter gallery. tgheretford (talk) 13:33, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

  • Delete all per nom. MER-C 14:04, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep. There are something like 10,000 radio masts and towers in the UK, and I agree that 99% of them aren't notable. However, most of the ones featured on Wikipedia are in the notable 1%, although the articles often don't (yet) state why. Please don't expect contributors to expand all these articles at once. It will take time. Heaton Park is notable because it provided a large portion of the trunk comms capacity into Manchester and there is quite of lot of primary and secondary source written history about the architecture of these 'Chilterns' type concrete towers, which are all significant local landmarks and cultural icons. The article could possibly be merged with similar articles about the other six towers of this type, but it shouldn't just be deleted. Sutton Common is notable because of it was originally conceived as part of the 1950s 'Backbone' chain designed to provide the UK and NATO with survivable comms during nuclear war. Swingate is notable in that it is, AFAIK, the only radar tower from the Battle of Britain in WWII still in use today. Woofferton is notable because it was shared by the BBC and VOA and provided a stronger short-wave broadcast signal into the Eastern Bloc than any other western short-wave broadcast transmitter during the years of Soviet jamming. WP is not a paper encyclopaedia, there is no shortage of space and there is no need to delete an article because it it is arcane. With over 1,500,000 articles, arcaneness is inevitable. Harumphy 16:24, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep Woofferton per Harumphy. I believe it is notable given the links already on its page. Akihabara 14:48, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
    • I've just added two book references and a 75-page PDF history to the page. Harumphy 15:36, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per precedence/nom. This is much better suited for Wikia than here. Some of these are better than the American ones. That said I fail to see the importance of these masts. Regarding the above statement no, being a stub is not reason by itself for deletion but in this case they are stubs for a very good reason. MartinDK 15:31, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
    • Wikia is Jimmy Wales' private for-profit site. As such it is no substitute for a non-profit site. Harumphy 15:44, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep, meet content policies, or else merge each of these (except maybe Woofferton, which might be able to stand on its own) into the appropriate locality article per WP:LOCAL. Wikipedia:Deletion policy/Masts also suggests merging. JYolkowski // talk 15:52, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep, The have verifiable information and informative images. The concrete towers are as architecturally interesting as any building. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 17:15, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep Major local landmark. Nathanian 20:26, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep as User:Harumphy already explained, these masts in some way are unique. Furthermore, they tend to meet the core content policies (WP:OR, WP:V, WP:NPOV) and failing keep, can still be merged into the the articles on their local municipalities as suggested by WP:LOCAL.-- danntm T C 02:54, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep Woofferton and Swingate. Woofferton is one of the handful of major HF stations, has a long history and Swingate is a VHF main station and also was part of the wartime Chain Home Radar system.Chillysnow 17:18, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep Woofferton. It is not a minor 'mobile phone mast' type of site. It is a massive, historic and important transmitting station. This article links to a new web publication that is probably the most extensive history of a short wave station that is presently available. Martinte 18:08, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep or merge. Saw the Pye Green tower from the train today, and came to look it up. Glad it was still here! There may be a case for merging several of these entries to the 'backbone' article however. Crosbiesmith 00:39, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
    • Comment Good point. I think we may have a classic example of a small trainwreck here since the some of the masts seems to be considerably more notable than others. MartinDK 08:46, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.