Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bread shop
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[edit] Bread shop
A dictionary definition at best of a commonplace phrase AndrewHowse (talk) 15:35, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
- Delete Wikipedia is not a dictionary. Trusilver 16:12, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
- Keep. While it's certainly a stub, it's already more than a dictionary definition. There are many bread shops (often but not always described as hot bread shops) in Australia that don't fit the traditional pattern of a bakery, and it would be wrong to describe them as bakeries. Rather, they're a new sort of business that has only developed here within my lifetime. Andrewa (talk) 16:15, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
- If, as you wrote of hot bread shops, they are stores where bread is baked and sold, then perhaps we should redirect to bakery. Or, if there's some distinguishing characteristic of Australian bread shops, then rd to bakery and add something (sourced of course) there. --AndrewHowse (talk) 16:35, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
- Exactly. "bread shop" isn't even an accepted name for what the article describes, but more of a working title. It certainly is unsourcable. I agree that it could be mentioned in bakery, but it definitely shouldn't have a separate article. Trusilver 18:56, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
- Although, by analogy to pie shop, bread shop might well be accepted in Australia. I just think bakery covers it, as currently written. In fact, I might have done better to redirect it than bring it here. Let's see if User:Andrewa can clarify why he sees them as different. --AndrewHowse (talk) 19:18, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
- Disagree that it's unsourceable, see this Google search and note that most (not all) of the entries are capitalised, indicating that it's the name of the business. I'd have no objection to a merge, especially if it turns out to be an Australia-only phenomenon... I know Bakers Delight, to which many (but not even most) Australian bread shops belong is an Australian invention, but it's now active in several other countries, and I imagined they'd have their home-grown competitors there. Or, perhaps a move to hot bread shop would be a possibility, I only used the shorter term thinking, perhaps wrongly, that it might be more generic worldwide. Yes, it could be merged to bakery, my feeling was that the bread shop movement of the past 40 years or so (before Bakers Delight, note) had a history that would be a bit out of place in the bakery article, which rightly IMO refers to more conventional establishments, but for now a merge and redirect would be fine, and if later there's enough material we can just split it back. I'd be more inclined to leave it as a stub, obviously, and save the trouble. Andrewa (talk) 05:31, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
- Although, by analogy to pie shop, bread shop might well be accepted in Australia. I just think bakery covers it, as currently written. In fact, I might have done better to redirect it than bring it here. Let's see if User:Andrewa can clarify why he sees them as different. --AndrewHowse (talk) 19:18, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
- Exactly. "bread shop" isn't even an accepted name for what the article describes, but more of a working title. It certainly is unsourcable. I agree that it could be mentioned in bakery, but it definitely shouldn't have a separate article. Trusilver 18:56, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
- If, as you wrote of hot bread shops, they are stores where bread is baked and sold, then perhaps we should redirect to bakery. Or, if there's some distinguishing characteristic of Australian bread shops, then rd to bakery and add something (sourced of course) there. --AndrewHowse (talk) 16:35, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
