Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brandon Link

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Speedily deleted. _GB^T/C 17:23, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Brandon Link

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My thought is that the article as it stands should be deleted. It is a biography of a living person that doesn't prove notability, contains no references or citations from reliable third party sources, and can't even agree on the subject's name (even the interview calls him Brandon Lang not Link and no citations seems to exist for the name change. Jasynnash2 (talk) 09:17, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

I understand your concern for notability, but I assure you that in the sports world this man is very recognizable. Brandon Link is this man's real name, as credited in the movie "Two for the Money". Brandon Lang is a sort of alias and the name of the website he operates where he sells his sports expertise. Please see the website www.BrandonLang.com for more information on his business. In the sports world Brandon Lang/Brandon Link is a notable figure who appears often on radio and television. I believe this article should be allowed to stay on Wikipedia for the fact that Brandon is a notable figure and the public will want to know more about him. Further, Brandon publicly prides himself in his ability to pick games and even operates a well known web site where he displays his records. People accessing this page are very interested to see the long term results of his website.Vince1973 (talk) 16:24, 11 April 2008 (UTC)Vince1973 — User:Vince1973 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

How in the world could this entry be deleted? I check Lang's Wikipedia entry every single day to see his updated statistics. Brandon is probably the most well known handicapper in the world. Unfortunately he conceals his true statistics from the general public on his website. Furthermore, there has not be one single sentence posted on his Wikipedia entry that has not been accurate.

• Well, where to start: 1) Please sign your posts with 4 tildes 2)His "stats" aren't updated everyday and even if they were this isn't the place for that sort of thing (which I'm sure exists somewhere more relevant anyway, maybe even the website you "plug" above) 3) the article doesn't have the reliable 3rd party sources it needs 4) how about some proper references and citations 5) do we want to address the "advertising", COI, or "spam" policies and play point-counter point? 6) there is the apparent issue of "sockpuppetry" which has been suggested elsewhere about the article 7) Even IMdb doesn't agree that he is the same person 8) to be fair there is an interview on ESPN.com with someone named Brandon Lang 9) I'm thinking that if this isn't a "hoax" of somesort than the author shouldn't have any trouble substantiating the name change, notability, etc 10) Maybe User:Quadzilla99's edit log from when he redirected will contain something? Jasynnash2 (talk) 15:56, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Jasynnash2, I originally found this article on Brandon Lang which quoted the biographical information in the first few paragraphs. I am only responsible for the last two paragraphs of this article as I enjoy monitoring Brandon's website and his daily performance. Perhaps if there is an issue regarding the actual biographical information, the page can be altered to only address his website and sports picking services which are 100% factual and cannot be disputed. I also realize I do not update the information every single day, but I would be willing to do so if that was an important aspect. I had been updating it every few days, but would be more than happy to change that. If there is still an issue, I will do my best to address each of your 10 points in order to make sure this is an acceptable article. Finally, you mentioned the relevance of this information relating to Wikipedia. While this man is well known in the sports world, there is no readily available information to the public who may want to learn more about him. I would be more than happy to remove all biographical information since we lack a third party citation, but the information regarding his website is very useful and very relevant to anyone who has ever heard of him.Vince1973 (talk) 16:38, 11 April 2008 (UTC)Vince1973 — User:Vince1973 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

Jasynash, I just familiarized myself with the notability guidelines specific to wikipedia and I believe I now have a better understanding to your point of view. I feel like if we remove the first two paragraphs which are biographical, and without citation, the article could stand alone as a verifiable source. Please see how the article stands right now, which mentions only the business side of BrandonLang.com and the statistics supported by the web site. This new format removes all claims and biographical information that is not substantiated by a third party.Vince1973 (talk) 19:45, 11 April 2008 (UTC)Vince1973 — User:Vince1973 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

• Speedy Delete per A7. No assertion of notability at all. Wikipedia articles themselves are not accepted sources per WP:RS. DarkAudit (talk) 23:11, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

not speedy by A7 it asserts his accuracy as a sports picker. but speedy as G11 primarily promotional The article is rather clear about it, and the defense of he article giving above is even clearer.I dont usually think we should speedy as either A7 or G11 an item at AfD, but this seems a clear case of it.DGG (talk) 23:37, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

The only people that want this article deleted are those associated with Brandon Lang's website. There is not a single thing on this entry that is innacurate. Brandon disclosed all of his information himself. If Brandon had positive statistics then this would not be an issue. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JPMcGavin (talk • contribs) 17:14, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.