Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Boch

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The result of the debate was delete. – ABCD 16:14, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Boch

Article about a series of car dealerships in New England. I see no evidence of notability. Possible advertising. Delete. --InShaneee 19:27, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

• Keep IT IS VERY IMPORTANT! It is an enormous dealership center, and the largest dealer in the world of Hondas, and the second largest dealer of Toyotas in the world. Ernie Boch is a Boston area legend. Now, there are articles that are extremly pointless, such as :Buzz Lightyear's Astro Blasters, and Fortree City, (a made-up fake city) - so take those off. This is good. User:NewGuy4
  • Note that User:NewGuy4 created the article.
    • Note that that doesn't matter.

• Delete. Does not seem relevant. I'm not even sure an animal can be a spokesperson. In all seriousness, seems to be advertisement. -- Jwinters | Talk 19:43, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • - have you ever seen the ads? Then you'd understand. It is stange to have an animal but it seems to help him sell cars. User:NewGuy4

• • See also image: Picture of my idol, Ernie Boch Jr., the coolest car dealer owner in Massachusetts (excluding Bryan Jones of Framingham Ford). YOU ROCK!! (picture taken from Boch website) -- Jwinters | Talk 19:43, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • I also added a copyvio tag to the image, as it is taken from the Boch website and User:NewGuy4 (who uploaded the image) even said so. -- Jwinters | Talk 19:54, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

• Strong delete, Blatant advertisement, vandal-supported. Binadot 19:48, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. The late Ernie Boch is Norwood-notable and even has some small degree of regional notability. Every town has one big car dealer whose television ads are just annoying/catchy enough to become a byword. In Madison, Wisconsin, that was John Zimbrick; in Boston, it's Ernie "Come on down!" Boch. He's responsible for the concept of having area car dealers go into together to publicize the Norwood "automile." (He was also locally notable for never giving a nickel to charity).Sure, he's worth a non-promotional NPOV line or two in the Norwood, Massachusetts article. No way is he notable enough for a whole article. Dpbsmith (talk) 21:16, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Of only local notability. RickK 22:24, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Restricted regional note, and a quick google shows at least three US Toyota dealers claiming to be the largest in the world, so I suspect at the least this is a title that changes hands regularly. Wikipedia is not the Yellow Pages, so local dealerships are not in the remit. Average Earthman 23:18, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, non notable. DaveTheRed 02:14, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Ernie Boch has actually given quite a bit to charity, including a performance center on Cape Cod and a wing at Norwood Hospital. No way is he only known in the Norwood area, but his ads litter the Boston (and likely Providence) TV stations. Boston is quite bigger than Madison, Wisconsin. Boch is frequently close to the top Toyota dealer in the country, and his 4-year old Honda franchise was the top-selling Honda dealer in the world last month. I don't think there are many people in the Boston area who don't know who Ernie Boch is. The article may look like an advertisement, but it's not. Don't be confused, the Boch empire is quite far from Joe Schmo Isuzu. User:209.6.133.76.
  • The above was User:209.6.133.76. RickK 05:38, Mar 25, 2005 (UTC)
  • Retracting my above comment re charity. Apologies. Still think any material on Boch should go in Norwood, Massachusetts, maybe in a section on "Norwood notables" or something like that. Dpbsmith (talk) 14:07, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. Fg2 06:33, Mar 25, 2005 (UTC)
• Delete as NN, vanity and/or possible ad. Radiant_* 11:53, Mar 25, 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. I think large business are sufficiently noteable to have their own Wikipedia pages, much more so than e.g. individual masts (e.g. WAVE-Mast), HVDC installations (e.g. HVDC Kingsnorth) and individual Pokémons, some of which have survived VfDs. And the Boch automile is actually quite impressive. Martg76 13:25, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• Comment An obituary on Boch is present in this Google cache and mentions his latter-year charitable activities. Dpbsmith (talk) 14:13, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. Important article. I live in Hartford and I know about boch, I even have a friend who drove up two hours to buy a car there. Very recognizable throughout the entire northeast. It is also a large business, and holds a lot of history - KEEP definatly. User:bumblebeeman3
  • Note: User's third edit. --InShaneee 03:34, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• Keep, fairly notable, but check for copyvio and POV. -Sean Curtin 02:24, Mar 26, 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Vanity on a corporate level. Feco 08:33, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• Weakish keep. Tacky-looking as the website is and all that, it seems to have some regional importance in its line of business. Probably at least as notable as most individual professional baseball-players. But no to articles of their own for Ernies Sr & Jr (in case somebody would think of adding that). / Uppland 06:49, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

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