Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bobby Rickman-Smith
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This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was DELETED. dbenbenn | talk 23:52, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Tally: I count 9 delete, 1 keep, and 5 weak keeps. I'm counting weak keeps as half a keep. So that's 9 delete to 3 & 1/2 keep. I'll go delete Bobby Rickman-Smith now. Wile E. Heresiarch 17:00, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- Comment: 6 keeps to 9 deletes is hardly a concensus to delete. I will be taking this to VfU. GRider\talk 20:55, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- Although my final vote was to delete, I agree with GRider. Count me to keep in the future. Samaritan 22:44, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Bobby Rickman-Smith
Not notable. Cdc 05:36, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- A "Robert Rickman-Smith", whose biography is completely consistent with this "Bobby Rickman-Smith", pled guilty to unlawful sexual intercourse with a 12 year old (he was 21) in 1999 Daventry Today: "Jesus Man's Sex Secret." "Recognised as a Preacher/Teacher," indeed. If he wants to (presumably) use Wikipedia to promote himself to the public as "Rev. Bobby," I'm sorely tempted to keep, including this information, to bring his background to light. But I'm not sure. Samaritan 07:25, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- Without that info, I'd say he's not notable for inclusion. Including it is likely to start conflict. I'm not sure what to do. I'll abstain for now. Mgm|(talk) 09:14, Jan 20, 2005 (UTC)
- Delete. Even with the information from the news story, and assuming it's the same person, it's not even borderline IMO. Unfortunately, there are many such cases every year. The article currently gives no justification at all for its being there. Andrewa 09:59, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- Alert Dyfed-Powys Police, then delete. Dbiv 10:47, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- Keep, obviously. I have expanded this to include details of his child molestation convictions. GRider\talk 18:54, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- As far as I can tell he's just another child molester. Unfortunately, the world is full of child molesters and few are really notable. Unless he's done something to establish national or international notoriety I don't see how this guy warrants inclusion. Delete. -R. fiend 22:54, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- Delete, not notable. --fvw* 22:59, 2005 Jan 20 (UTC)
- Weak Keep, borderline notable. Megan1967 02:43, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- Delete, nonnotable. Wile E. Heresiarch 07:48, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- Delete, probably a disaffected relative or such like .User: Brookie
- Comment: User:Brookie is a brand new account. This was his/her fourth edit. GRider\talk 21:28, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- Who's the disaffected relative? The original article suggested nothing negative about this child molester. Samaritan 05:29, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- Weak keep. Marginally notable, would be interesting to read about transformation from child rapist to preacher (can't be common). As I said, though, weak keep. – Beginning 23:26, Jan 21, 2005 (UTC)
- Vice-versa, actually, and back again. (Sadly, more common?) Samaritan 05:29, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- Weak keep. --JuntungWu 11:01, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- Weak keep. Yuckfoo 20:31, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- Delete. Listing convicted felons, whose only possible claim of notability is an unfortunately not uncommon crime, in an international online encyclopedia seems like a rather unpleasant idea to me. Alarm 23:12, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)
A SURE CASE OF MISTAKEN IDENTITY - APPOLOGIES ARE IN ORDER!!!
- The above line of text was left by 62.253.64.17. (Article was created by 62.253.64.13 and shortly thereafter edited by 62.253.64.14, so we're obviously dealing with a related range and probably the same person. Samaritan 05:50, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)
KEEP. Reverend Bobby Rickman-Smith was born in 1961 so could not be 21 years old in 1999 but 38 years old! This is NOT the same person and people should check before posting such derogatory comments. There could be a case for slander as Rev. Bobby is still alive and well!
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- The above block and then line of text was left by User:Gwenonwy, whose only edits have been to this vfd. Samaritan 05:50, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- Comment: Information in Wikipedia needs to be verifiable. Under the circumstances, I'm suspicious of this claim. See Wikipedia:Verifiability. I see the recent edits to the article have deleted the information of Bobby Rickman-Smith's being from the town of Llandudno, pop 20000, like the sex offender of the essentially identical name. At least it's retained the information that he now lives in Brecon, pop 6000, also where Robert Rickman-Smith went per the news article. Will wonders never cease. So a sex offender with the same name keeps following him around from small town to small town. Ookay. Samaritan 05:50, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- Delete. Article does not establish encyclopedic notability. Gamaliel 19:38, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- REV BOBBY RICKMAN-SMITH WAS BORN IN MARCH 1961 IN ABERTRIDWR WALES
ROBERT RICKMAN-SMITH WAS BORN IN ALDERSHOT HAMPSHIRE IN SEPTEMBER 1979. HE NOW CALLS HIMSELF ROBERT SMITH AND RESIDES IN CARDIFF. HE IS CONNECTED WITH THE VINYARD CHURCH IN CARDIFF. THESE ARE NOT THE SAME PERSONS. unsigned comment from [User:Gwenonwy]]
- Extreme weak keep. —RaD Man (talk) 19:20, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- keep deleted, no evidence for notability as shown by the fact that we can't get any info on him, in such instances we do not want to libel. Dunc|☺ 20:47, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)
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