Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bob Carr (Florida politician)

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. — TKD::Talk 09:41, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bob Carr (Florida politician)

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Procedural nomination. This is an expired prod but I'm almost certain that some will see value in the article and AfD seems a more proper choice. I abstain. Pascal.Tesson 00:04, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

  • Delete mayor of midsized city is not notable - so not notable that we cannot pinpoint his birth year other than "presumably before 1938" which was probably subtracting 18 years from the start of his mayoralty. There are probably thousands of cities towns that are as large as Orlando was in when he was mayor, are all their mayors notable? If this guy was responsible for bringing the theme parks to Orlando, one would expect sourced statements to that effect in his bio, and that would make him notable. That there are none, seems like he's a run-of-the-mill mayor of a mid-sized city. nn. Carlossuarez46 00:29, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep He was mayor of an important city. Orlando is a major city in Florida and the US and plenty of articles about mayors of cities of similar size do exist.--JForget 01:10, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
  • DeleteNN. Not this one. Only relevant ghits are for the performing arts center or his son, a political candidate. Ghits are muddied by the inclusion of the more notable Australian politician.--Sethacus 01:20, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge one line into Bob Carr Performing Arts Centre Corpx 04:22, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Weak Delete - using other articles exists is not sufficient for an article. Service in behalf of one's city is a worthy accomplishment, but there should also be some notoriety to the way in which one served to have an article. If something can be found, let the article return. --Storm Rider (talk) 08:42, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep - The guy is notable. He was mayor of a now-major U.S. city for 12 years and he has an important building named for him. There's not a lot of web content about him, but that's because he left office 40 years ago. The article was a bit ridiculous, with the statement that he presumably was born before 1938 (probably written by someone too young to know that 21, not 18, was the voting age in 1956) and a reference to his having judged a beard-growing contest. Removing that silliness makes it a reasonable stub article. Keep it; maybe more information will be found to expand it.--orlady 16:48, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Weak delete only for lack of sources. Ten Pound Hammer • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps•Review?) 20:51, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
Was the above comment based on review of the article? Although there is no information (and no sources) on his date of birth or date of death, the article cites several sources, including dates for his term of office and his roles in founding the local Community Chest, the state Easter Seals organization, and a local African American chamber of commerce.--orlady 00:38, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge per Corpx to the performing arts center. If there is ever enough sourced info to write a good article about him, then it can be split off. No reason to have a stub about a mayor of a midsize town of whom little is known. Lots of people have had buildings named after them without having Wikipedia articles. Edison 21:04, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep Bob Carr is the mayor who desegregated Orlando and thus a fairly significant figure in civil rights in Florida, which a quick trip to a news archive or a library can confirm. He died in office in 1967, which is why it's hard to google sources on him. --JayHenry 03:00, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep Enough verifiable information in the article to establish notability. Davewild 08:05, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep per orlady. I'm surprised anyone is mentioning Google results for someone who died in 1967; of course there aren't many. JamesMLane t c 05:34, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep Adequate information and sources are provided to establish notability. Google Hits is a spectacularly poor means in general of judging notability, and all the more irrelevant in this case. Alansohn 05:36, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep, he was mayor of a major city for over a decade. As mentioned above, Google hits should be the last way of determining notability for someone of (high) local interest before the 1980s. -- Zanimum 16:45, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep per Zanimum, JamesMLane, Alansohn, Davewild, JayHenry, et al. Just because he does not have any Ghits does not mean he is not notable. Bearian 13:34, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.