Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bob Biniak

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The result of the debate was keep moink 07:31, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Bob Biniak

seems that this isn't the same as the actor Bob Biniak, and if anything he should have precedent over the core namespace, but this guy doesn't seem very notable. Master Thief Garrett 09:02, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

• Delete or replace it with an article about that actor - this is just a vanity article. andy 10:10, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, not notable, vanity. Megan1967 06:32, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
• Keep, just because you are not a skateboarder and do not know of him, does not mean that Bob Biniak is not notable. He was apart of an influential skateboarding team in the 1970's who redefined skateboarding as it is today. Even when you put the name Bob Biniak into IMDB, it comes up with the skateboarder over any supposed actor by the same name. As you can see: Bob Biniak IMDB profile whilst looking at the names list for Biniak doesn't even turn up this supposed actor either: IMDB names page for Biniak. I suggest if you submit something for deletion, you actually know what the article you're deleting is. And if the persons name is supposedly the same as someone elses, make sure you get the other persons name right before saying 'it takes precedent'. Or if this person exists, then you put Bob Biniak (actor). Lordhart 10:16, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • First off, the matter of precedence. It's always the most important person who takes the namespace on WP. Always. Look at George Clooney. There is no other, so it doesn't say "actor" beside, nor would it if there was another. It is always the less important same-name person who would be shoved aside, not the more important one just because they are an actor.

I may not be a skater, but I'm not a movie buff either. 59% of WP content I've never heard of but it doesn't mean I automatically deem it unworthy since it hasn't reached my ears. I'm not predjudicing, I'm just basing it on Google. The very first Google hit is for a musician(?), the rest of the first ten for an actor, and it's not until the second page that I see a skater. Upon closer inspection, the actor references are to the same man.

—BUT this does NOT change the course of this Vfd! Notable or not, this article is written as fluff, and doesn't tell the reader anything useful at all. Indeed it is very vague and even confusing. When I first read this article, it gave NO impression that it was about a skater at all, because it lists surfing, golf, etc. just as frequently as skating, rather than showing that skating was the more important career (and indeed got him a movie role). It talks just as much about golf as anything else. Nothing in this jumped out at me and said "hey, this guy's a skater!", merely that he took part in many varied sports. No focus at all, merely bits and pieces. Classic fluff content right there.

It is written in a very fluffy, very vain way. ANY and ALL fluff articles should be Vfd'd as soon as they are noticed, whether they're about John Campbell or Paul Holmes, it doesn't matter. Fluff must go, whether it's about a noteworthy person or not. Either the content is revised or it is deleted, ready for someone else to recreate properly at a later date.

But if you wish to rewrite this article yourself to be less fluffy and more skatey (boy that sounds silly), please feel free to do so, and I will change my vote to Keep.

Anyway, you sound very angry about this being up for Vfd... which is just ridiculous! Come on, I'm merely trying to help make WP a better place, and even though I'm wrong, so what? Does it matter? Are you that offended that your skating idol has been put up for Vfd just because he's got a crappy article? If so, do your duty as a fan and rewrite it! Do him proud! Oh, and have a nice day... :) Master Thief Garrett 11:58, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

• Just to clear up, i'm not a fan, and i'm not a skater, but I do know of certain skateboarders as my older brother was an avid skater in his youth. It seemed that your only reason for deletion was because the article didn't describe an actor (even though you've clearly stated now that you were wrong and that it is indeed this person). I'm not offended, but you should have labelled it to get extended or cleaned up if anything, not just deleted because you made a mistake with names or whatnot. I would edit it myself if I knew more about his life, but the most I know is that he was apart of the Dogtown Zephyr skate team of the 70's. Others who have more knowledge about him may have more to add though. Lordhart 15:13, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
• Keep, It does need to be cleaned up, yes, and there's a label that can be applied for that. It's not worthy of a deletion. jcomp489
  • {{cleanup}} is NOT why I brought it to Vfd. It's about the concept, not the content. Master Thief Garrett 00:39, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

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