Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bleach arrancar

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Merge all to Characters in Bleach series. I've only tagged the individual pages for the merge, since the target page would get too bloated with simply cut and pasting and I have no idea what information is actually useful. The editors with an interest in the articles in question are encouraged to sort it out. - Bobet 09:22, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] D-Roy, Luppi (Bleach), Edorad Leones, Il Forte Grantz, Shawlong Qufang, Wanderweiss

Nominating all these articles - although they all seem to have a decent amount of content, it's mostly bloated and isn't very meaningful. The articles in question are about non-notable characters in the manga and anime series Bleach. Wanderweiss and Luppi (Bleach) aren't even properly named according to the naming conventions. These characters are non-notable because they basically appear for a handful of chapters (or pages, in D-Roy's case), and die. They have few (if any) distinct personality traits, and exist mainly for the sake of fighting the series' protagonists. Although I have personally improved D-Roy, Edorad Leones, Ilforte Grantz and Shawlong Qufand (see edit histories), I now feel that the effort was not needed and that these articles have no place on Wikipedia. All the valuable information in them can be condensed and merged into Characters in Bleach series. See also: Talk:Bleach (manga)#Character articles (several users agreed with the deletion proposal) -- Ynhockey ^(Talk) 06:34, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

• Merge all to Hollow (Bleach). They, unlike the main cast, are all here to presumably get killed off by the main cast. Having articles for each of them doesn't work. Make an in-depth Hollow article for all of them. User:Robinson0201

• Merge all to Hollow (Bleach). As it turned out recently, Luppi died, which I was not expecting, so the defeated likely do not need their own articles any more. --Merovingian {T C @} 10:04, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

• This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT 12:31, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

• Merge all to Characters in Bleach series due to lack of individual notability. –Gunslinger47 23:51, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
• Merge and redirect per above. Danny Lilithborne 00:57, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
• Merge all to Characters in Bleach series per nominator. — Reinyday, 04:13, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletions. --TheFarix (Talk) 22:14, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep all stop with this. The pages are already here, so why no keep them? The D-Roy article was already pointed to deletion and it was declined. Leave the guy in peace and go do your job improving other articles instead of trying to destroy what was already done. - Access Timeco 02:24, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
• Comment I'll abstain from voting for now. In my opinion, the articles were rather unnecessary to start with, but my main criticism of them is that they are a total pain to maintain, and often seem to be just one more location you have to remove the latest bit of unnecessary info from. Of course, they do pass the Pokemon test, or closer to home, are just as notable as Kaien Shiba, so I'm split on this one. Maybe merge all non-Espada? --tjstrf 05:13, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

MERGE Let's just merge all Bleach chars to List of Bleach characters. Of course we should summarize and link the longer, more notable, main character articles. That way we can give poke the boot and use the real standard for fictional characters: WP:FICTION --Kunzite 23:27, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Reply You mean Characters in Bleach series? We did that, but the article got to be ridiculously large to the extent it was effectively impossible to edit at one point. Kubo Tite prefers to introduce his characters by the dozen.--tjstrf 23:39, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Such a waste of a good opportunity.. Why in heaven's name are theme songs listed where summaries should be? The characters can all be merged into groups as suggested several times below. --Kunzite 01:16, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Actually, that's quite funny. I'd never noticed how out of place the theme songs looked there. The summaries were pulled due to article length concerns. --tjstrf 01:28, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

If merge, merge by categories I do admit some characters has too little backstory and information that they may not really require a separate article, but even if this article is to be merged, merge it into something like the "Hollow" article, since the Espada are hollows anyway. Of course, such merging may provoke cries of image removals, but on the other hand, keeping the images may cause the article to grow too big. That is all I'll say. 155.69.5.236Wakipudeo155.69.5.236

Comment: I think they don't have enough backstory and unique information to stand alone, but I don't think they should be merged into already large articles like the Characters in Bleach or Hollow (Bleach). Perhaps all these pages should be merged into new seperate compiliation page? EikaKou

Reply Lists of Bleach Characters by Race might be the most sensible option if we were to divide them, since the current system within the Bleach Character article is by location of residence, which doesn't make much sense imo. However, I'm not sure that image removal is really a concern here. If one of those characters were to be in a flashback, or have survived somehow, or otherwise gain notability within the series, then I don't think there's really a shortage of scanned manga pages with the text shopped out, and they could be easily replaced. --tjstrf 23:17, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Comment I think none of these articles should be deleted, especially Wanderweiss, as its very likely he'll become more important later on. He's probably an Espada and is still alive and likely will remain so due to his lack of fighting in the current assault. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.127.50.229 (talk • contribs)

Reply. Anyone going to the Wanderweiss page is almost certainly going to be a reader of the manga. It would be of no interest otherwise. So, ideally, the page should be made useful with the manga's audience in mind. Here is a list of important information on Wanderweiss' page which the average reader might not know off-hand:

• He was human-sized as a hollow, prior to becoming arrancar. This suggests that he was a Vasto Lorde. This would make him freakishly powerful, and certainly more significant than D-Roy could have hoped to be.
• And, um...

Merging the article and turning the page into a redirect does not prevent the page's recreation if and when (probably when) we know and care enough about him to warrent it. What we are trying to do is set a precidence. Specifically: If a pages is filled with nothing but useless information, even for the relatively few readers who actually care, then the page should not exist. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. Important information on the limited subject should be included in other pages discussing a more general subject. Take the Hollow (Bleach) page for example. Creating a new page for each individual type of hollow would be pointless and actually hurt the core article. – Gunslinger47 21:37, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

• Keep but recommend merge/redirect of minor characters by race (e.g. minor shinigami chars, minor hollows, etc). - Wickning1 21:20, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.