Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Blak Jak

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete, no prejudice against recreation if and when reliable referenced proof of notability (as per WP:MUSIC) can be established, beyond those in this version of the article. Proto::► 10:15, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Blak Jak

Repeatedly deleted by a long string of admins, but a DRV endorsed deletion but allowed for recreation. OK, it's been recreated, but there are still zero claims of notability and no references. User:Zoe|(talk) 19:31, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

  • Delete and salt permanently per nom. No references, no assertion of notability, has been perpetually deleted and recreated. Moreschi Deletion! 19:33, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Hit me Hit me Stay Delete per nom. --- RockMFR 19:38, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete and protect until someone writes about him in a reliable source, and said source is included as a reference. These repeated recreations are disruptive. - Aagtbdfoua 19:41, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
  • "Repeatedly deleted": was it always the same person recreates it after each deletion? Anthony Appleyard 20:24, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
Comment - regarding notabilty:
Ghits (for 'Blak Jak' and rap) = 64,000 [1]
artistdirect = [2]
allmusic = [3] SkierRMH 20:28, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
Allmusic is based on the All Media Guide which is not a reliable source (low barriers of entry). don't know about artistdirect Bwithh 21:30, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete - I know i just cited all of that, but this article is not reflective of the citations noted. I would not salt as theoretically it would be possible to come up with an appropriate article, but this isn't it. SkierRMH 20:28, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep. Major article in Fader magazine [4], his CD came out on the 19th on a major label, Republic Records, and it appears he may have been added to Sirius Radio's hip-hop station for airplay, although I can't reliably verify that at this point. --badlydrawnjeff talk 20:59, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
    • Seems like it had the top number of urban radio ads before the album came out, and getting national airplay typically meets WP:MUSIC. [5] --badlydrawnjeff talk 03:34, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete one album? Released a week ago? WP:MUSIC. Guy (Help!) 20:59, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
    • One major label, he also released one with another rapper who's name eludes me. Chart info isn't out for the album yet, either. I'm fairly sure he meets WP:MUSIC. --badlydrawnjeff talk 21:01, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep, but restructure. I'm sure there are several reliable sources I can put up by the Google search. Tom Danson 21:13, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete as per JzG. Both artistdirect link above and Billboard.com database are registering just the one album[6] Bwithh 21:30, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
    • The other was a minor release called "Roll the Dice." I found album art, but not much else. Possibly a mixtape. --badlydrawnjeff talk 03:34, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Speedy Delete A7, with a tip of the hat to the delete/recreation history. Is this eligible for a G4? --Dennisthe2 23:44, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
    • It was overturned at DRV, so no. I've removed the speedy tag and added some notability stuff. --badlydrawnjeff talk 03:34, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Speedy Delete per A7. TSO1D 00:07, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment I did a bit of Googling, and found this Sirius playlist guide [7], and this cached page [8]. Question - how does "WP:MUSIC:Has been placed in rotation nationally by any major radio network." actually work? If we work off "light rotation", as defined in that rotation article as 5–15 times per week, do we actually have to find 5-15 exact times that song's appeared in a week? Or is it enough that prove that a track's received national airtime? Quack 688 11:48, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
    • I can't get the site to work right now (I hope it does, I heard a song the other night that I forgot the name of), but I think if we can show that it's been played in a way that isn't on a specialty show, we'd be in good shape. DogStar Radio.com is the one I've been using, and it shows multiple plays on the hip-hop station. It may be safe to say it's hit their rotation, especially since they're playing a newer song, and his first single hit in the summer. --badlydrawnjeff talk 14:20, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per Guy. One album? Released a week ago? WP:MUSIC. Note that the key points are "one" and "a week ago", so label size is a completely irrelevant. --Calton | Talk 01:24, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep. The second link I added above shows that this guy's been played on a major national radio network. (That cached link still works for me, Jeff - if you're still having trouble, try a new google search for ("blak jak" site:http://www.itsonsirius.net)). No-one's answered my question above, so until someone shows me otherwise, I'm assuming that you don't have to find 15 specific instances a song's been played in a week before you can say it passes the WP:MUSIC criteria of "Has been placed in rotation nationally by any major radio network.". Quack 688 02:41, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.