Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Black ambient (2nd nomination)

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The result was delete. Wizardman 17:09, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Black ambient

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Not a single source to back up the existence of this genre, much confusion as to what "black ambient" actually is, seems to be an original researched extension of dark ambient; little more than POV. Since is survived the first AfD, it still has had not a single reference added - it may as well be made up. ≈ The Haunted Angel 18:25, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

• Delete. I believe, and can source, that the genre term exists. However, there is no authoritative source to actually describe the music and no-one agrees on what is meant by the term. Further to this, I have come across no reliable sources whatsoever for the inclusion of any of the bands. Despite having cleaned up the article, it is still just original research and deserves at best mention on the dark ambient page. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 18:37, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
• Weak Keep Here's a source to prove it exists: Last.fm. Here's more proof (you'll find many results referring to this music here: Yahoo! Search. MalwareSmarts (talk) 22:01, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Last.FM cannot be used as a legitimate source as general content is user-edited and tags themselves are not moderated (hence, Paris Hilton at the top of the 'brutal death metal' table). You may as well cite Wikipedia itself as a source. Your second link is to a search engine, which confirms your search term is used on the 'Net. However, many of these hits in fact link to things like 'black/ambient metal' and it is far from clear that this is what the article is about. This in fact is precisely the reason why it is up for deletion. You need a genuine reliable source; in this case a book or commercially published magazine would be appropriate. But you'd also need to justify why the genre is in fact notable enough to warrant a Wikipedia article. Proof of its existence alone may only warrant a mention on the dark ambient page. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 22:30, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Blackmetalbaz makes an excelent point, and it's the exact reason for this AfD - nothing reliable to back up this genre. ≈ The Haunted Angel 22:53, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

• Delete unless sources are provided. Terraxos (talk) 03:58, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete the term exists, but no RS provided. Lugnuts (talk) 15:55, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.