Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Black aces

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This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was moved to Black Aces/temp in preperation for eventual merge to Black Aces Jtkiefer T | @ | C ----- 00:19, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Black aces

Tagged for speedy as "empty" but I can work out what the article means, and the group might even exist. Abstain. -Splash 20:29, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

  • Delete. "Ace" is not any kind of official designation in baseball, and as a colloquialism it is much more frequently used to describe the best pitcher on a staff and/or the first pitcher in the rotation. If the article cited credible references that established some sort of criteria for determining if a pitcher was an "ace", then maybe we'd have something here. Fernando Rizo T/C 21:39, 10 September 2005 (UTC) changed my vote, see below
  • Keep. Kappa 22:44, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep per Kappa. Pburka 23:35, September 10, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. From the first external link (to the Chicago Tribune), it's clear that this group exits, & that they have a definite criteria for inclusion based on skill. This article just needs more work to make that clear. -- llywrch 23:48, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. Kappa added those links after my original vote. I stand corrected. Fernando Rizo T/C 00:29, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
    • Merge to Aranda's new article. Fernando Rizo T/C 23:50, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
    • Also, allow me to suggest a page move to Black aces (baseball), as the current title could be easily misconstrued to mean fighter pilots and not ballplayers. Fernando Rizo T/C 00:31, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
      • Yes we need to disambiguate with VFA-41 Black Aces Kappa 00:42, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
      • In case of a move, capitalize "Aces" as part of the group's proper name. --Metropolitan90 06:29, September 11, 2005 (UTC)
        • Merge and redirect per Aranda56 (below). The only content that needs to be merged is the external links. --Metropolitan90 00:37, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. Merge. Merge to Black Aces. This really just needs to be expanded a bit.Voice of All (talk) 06:31, September 11, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep and disambiguate per F Rizo; recapitalize per Met90. This group (which added Dontrelle Willis over the weekend) is noteworthy and serves both to commemorate a meaningful bit of baseball history and to provide education and inspiration to young black people. "Ace" isn't an objectively defined term in baseball, but the group has the specific criterion "twenty wins in a season". (I know WP isn't here for promoting inspiration; that part is just cultural context.) Barno 20:45, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
    • Changing vote to merge content with correctly-capitalized article [which contains more data such as each member's qualifying season(s)] and disambiguate since the fighter squadron appears to be sufficiently noteworthy to be kept. Barno 00:39, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Merge to Black Aces a page in which i created after not knowing this Article was there the same day this was on VFD it is the same thing but with more content --Aranda56 00:14, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.