Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Black Sabbath's 19th Studio Album

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. Carlossuarez46 06:01, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Black Sabbath's 19th Studio Album

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This aborted project has been nonexistent since 2001. There has only been hearsay and talk about the band possibly doing another album. A studio session in 2001 was cancelled. Black Sabbath is out on the road with another singer and Ozzy just put out a solo album. Again, there is no evidence whatsoever that there will be another Black Sabbath album. SabbathForever2007 17:58, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

I say keep the album, because on Ozzy's website he has stated that he has been busy writing new songs to be included on a brand-new Black Sabbath studio album, and it should be released in 2008. Check out his website to see if it still says that. Dark Executioner 18:58, 20 July 2007 (UTC)Dark Executioner

  • Delete -WP:NOT a crystal ball. Write the article if and when it comes out. MSJapan 20:58, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
  • delete per MSJapan, WP:CRYSTAL. Usually, artistic endeavours don't get pages until they are out in the marketplace. But it would be neat if Ozzy was back with Black Sabbath. AllGloryToTheHypnotoad 21:19, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete Do we really need a comment. Shoessss |  Chat  22:09, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete Even such album exists in future, it will be not with that name. WooyiTalk to me? 22:34, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep Dear MSJAPAN, the oiriginal lineup is still together but on hiatus. Duh. Keep the album, cuz you'll all feel foolish when they announce word and the article's gone. Why don't you guys just check Ozzy's website like DE said? 68.211.183.10 23:12, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
    • If they're on hiatus, then how can they be releasing a new album? It is not on BLACK SABBATH's website, nor is it on the websites of Tony Iommi, Geezer Butler, or Bill Ward. No title. No recordings. No plans. Nothing more than a blurb from Sharon Osbourne who is simply doing as a publicity stunt to counter the Heaven and Hell project. SabbathForever2007 23:20, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. As noted above, it's speculation/crystal ball-gazing. Additionally, the article provides no sources whatsoever, so it cannot be verified. —C.Fred (talk) 23:25, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete per above. premature article. Resolute 04:54, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete per comments above. A album that does not exist! --Malcolmxl5 13:46, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete, in a black sabbath - fans, man, fans... WP:CRYSTAL *yawn* ;)--Cerejota 15:42, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete as violation of WP:CRYSTAL especially due to the "mystery" released date.JForget 15:49, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete This album will probably get made, but it might be a year from now, or three, or five. Future album articles are fine, but it might be prudent to at least wait until some actual recording sessions are underway. --Bongwarrior 22:13, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete This album is not a confirmed project. Ozzy's management said it'd happen, the lsat word on Black Sabbath is Tony Iommi, and all he's said is 'options are being considered' as to the band's future. Geezer Butler has been similar. Lets look at the page sentence by sentence.

"Legendary heavy metal band Black Sabbath have been planning to release a 19th studio LP in 2008, making it the band's 1st new album since 1995's Forbidden, and the first in 30 years to feature the original line-up of the band (last time was 1978's Never Say Die!)."

They've talked about the idea of writing stuff in 2008. A release date's not been discussed at all, the lack of new material since Forbidden is already discussed in the Sabbath article proper. The band has released two new songs on the Reunion album infact.

"This album has been in the making for at least 7 years. In 2001, during a reunion tour, the Ozzy-Iommi-Butler-Ward lineup debuted the new song "Scary Dreams." The exact release date for this album remains yet a mystery."

They decided to abort work due to it's lack of quality in early 2001. In late 2001 they had to cancel future work so Ozzy could do solo album. This was followed by a solo tour, Ozzfest 2002, Ozzy resting and recovereing in late 2002...the work just stopped happening. The work in 2001 Butler has said has to be "looked at" and "revisited". It would be starting again effectively, with a few ideas...the album's not been in the works since then, it got put 100% on ice in early 2001.

The article's not even got a single accurate fact in it, that's useful. I hate anything being deleted on here - I prefer long, epic works and vast tomes of information. This is the first time I've ever agreed with an AFD. Do it. (The Elfoid 02:09, 23 July 2007 (UTC))

  • Delete I'm going to have to agree with most of the above. This isn't confirmed anywhere. There have supposedly been talks of it, but really there's nothing about it in the public. Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. -Motley a b c qu 03:14, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.