Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Birchler Lab

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. James Birchler may possibly be notable; the laboratory almost certainly isn't. BLACKKITE 15:44, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

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I don't think Wikipedia should be in the business of hosting a website like this. No sources appear on the page suggesting that the lab is famous. AnteaterZot (talk) 03:05, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Delete --- listed alongside the major colleges at Mizzou, yet nowhere to be found in these lists at missouri.edu; no press for the lab or the PIs. --- tqbf 03:54, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Delete --- Seemes to be fluff, probably composed by a student of the lab.Grey Wanderer | Talk 06:47, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Delete. I don't think we need to be in the business of hosting the kind information that should go in a lab's own website. However, I think the principal investigator is notable enough per WP:PROF to have an article about him. --Itub (talk) 08:40, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Keep 25 papers on pubmed in the last two years. Seems pretty notable for a smallish lab. Mykej (talk) 18:58, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Isn't that an argument for articles for the authors of those papers? Where is the "Birchler Lab" itself referenced? --- tqbf 19:04, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Add external sources - many - and you've got something here. Otherwise, I go with the delete arguments above. Ψν^Psi_nu 21:26, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

• Strong Delete and I'll try to write an article on James A. Birchler, the professor in charge of it, if his notability can be shown. . That's the way we usually organize these topics. There are a very few cases where a faculty laboratory group as a whole has separate notability--I should check if they are in WP--I know of two in biology--Watson's at Harvard before he left for Cold Spring Harbor, and Morgan's at Columbia. (and of course the major multi-principle investigator laboratories.) There are also some in chemistry. But they would be highly unusual and extraordinary exceptions. DGG (talk) 10:38, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
• keep & cleanup/out - (with 'not inherited' in mind) The papers published would not have been published without the Lab's facillities. The number of papers makes the Lab notable. But what is in the Article has to have all the science mumbo-jumbo & peacock trimmed. That stuff comes in the Articles on the [[author that wrote X paper]] (or somesuch). If PubMed is the "Cited Source" then link the papers there, but (as above) external sources are also required. Exit2DOS2000^•T•C• 10:49, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Those are the facilities provided to the principal investigator. He's the one responsible. They weren't awarded to the postdocs and grad students, or the group as a collective. DGG (talk) 21:15, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Every research professor has a lab. Look at any university website, you'll see dozens of pages like this one. Wikipedia should not be hosting this content. AnteaterZot (talk) 00:25, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

I don't understand this "should" or "shouldn't" stuff; if things aren't notable, like this lab, they shouldn't have articles. Otherwise they should. --- tqbf 00:41, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Of course, you're right. I meant to educate people who are arguing in this debate that lab pages like this are common, and that somebody at that lab created this page on Wikipedia for some reason. This sort of content is unencyclopedic, with few exceptions. AnteaterZot (talk) 02:27, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.