Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bipolar (Rock Band)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete. – Sceptre ^(Talk) 11:25, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bipolar (Rock Band)

Contested prod. Band that has sold 1000 copies of an EP, and has recently released their first album whose "fans have purchased Rupture from every state in the US, the United Kingdom and Canada."—i.e. it has sold at least 52 copies. Clearly fails WP:MUSIC. Delete. GeorgeStepanek\^talk 22:24, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

• The band's song "As I Bleed" off of the album Rupture is currently #5, and has been for several weeks, on Garageband.com. This is an international chart. Clearly qualifying it for the very first criterion of WP:MUSIC. Do Not Delete.PeterPan23 04:45, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

I think there's a significant difference between a "national music chart" (per WP:MUSIC) and "what's hot now" in one of forty-seven categories [1] on a website that ranks fifty-ninth in its category (music) [2]. If it was #5—or even #25—on the national US, UK, Canadian or Australian chart then that would be quite different. GeorgeStepanek\^talk 04:54, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Let's reference Wikipedia's first qualifier for WP:MUSIC: Has had a charted hit on any national music chart, in at least one large or medium-sized country. The song "As I Bleed" has been holding #5 in the Current Hard Rock Charts so long that it achieved #22 in the All-Time Charts.72.228.5.60 05:32, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes, #22 in one category on one website (and not even a leading one at that)—not a national music chart. GeorgeStepanek\^talk 06:45, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. Not really notable. WP is not Myspace. NTK 10:10, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

• Wikipedia is a site for literal and unbiased information. We must use the guidelines set forth by Wikipedia literally. The rules clearly state that ANY national music chart is acceptable. Garageband.com is national. And in case anyone is concerned with the notability of Garageband.com, perhaps you should ask Sir George Martin (Chairman of Garageband.com and legendary music producer for The Beatles). DO NOT DELETE PeterPan23 17:03, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Thank you for properly attributing your comments, but I must warn you that it is not considered good form to attempt to vote twice (see WP:SOCK). Also, it should be noted that PeterPan23/72.228.5.60 is the only author of the page in question, and is very likely to be a member of the band in question (probably Peter James Morris Jr., since the photo Image:Bipolar8x10.jpg, which is duplicated at Image:8x10.jpg, "was taken by the drummer's father, Peter James Morris Sr.") This makes WP:VAIN also applicable: Vanity information is considered to be any information that was placed in any Wikipedia article that might create an apparent conflict of interest, meaning any material that presents the appearance of being intended to in any way promote the personal notoriety of the author, or one of the close family members or associates of the author. ... Once any such article ... has clearly been identified as such ... the article is then usually submitted for deletion. GeorgeStepanek\^talk 18:06, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
• The information in the article is factual and unbiased. It is not a vanity page because it's purpose is not to promote the author nor the band. I posted this article so fans, promoters, radio personnel or anyone for that matter, can find factual information on the band BIPOLAR. I have a great deal of respect for Wikipedia, and I wouldn't attempt to use it improperly. This is a legitimate article written about a notable up-and-coming band. --72.228.5.60 18:41, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
• Weak Delete. Not really notable in the spirit of WP:MUSIC, but not too far off. PeterPan23 raises an interesting point about what constitutes a "national music chart", perhaps this should be qualified. Rockpocket 23:39, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
• Weak delete, come back after your second album. Also hard to verify. Stifle (talk) 00:54, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
• I truly appreciate the input from everyone involved. I believe democracy is the most logically evolved system for handling dispute. I'd rescind my effort and delete the article mylsef, but the simple fact that 2 out of 3 people who voted for deletion couldn't do so with conviction, and one "weak delete" voter went so far as to contradict his vote with "...perhaps this should be qualified," leads me to believe that the article really does stand out, meet the criteria and represent faithfully and neutrally the history of a musical group of which a significant number of people have taken notice. PeterPan23 05:39, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.