Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Big Poppa E

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The result of the debate was NO CONSENSUS. — JIP | Talk 07:00, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Big Poppa E

vanity and heavy POV

• • • Keep after rewrite. on the website, there are numerous legitimate press articles and references. this poet has obviously done a lot of notable work, and people might need to research this guy. i am not sure why that is not obvious. check out the press library on www.bigpoppae.com for this info. i say keep it.
• Delete per nom. - Keryst 03:36, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
  • • Keep per FHS' rewrite. A closer look at his homepage (esp college tours) reveals probable notability Keryst 21:49, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep, establishes notability. Kappa 03:39, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete unless NPOV'd during Afd.
  • • Keep Aretha and Thelonious as per rewrite by FRS. Dlyons493 Talk 03:50, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Feel free to edit the article. Kappa 04:00, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
    • Personally, I'd prefer to see it deleted but, if anyone wants to rescue it, that's fine by me. Are the books actually published [1] Chapbooks are typically self-published ephemera. Dlyons493 Talk 04:42, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

• Delete unless verifiablity and some degree of significance are established. I see lots of name dropping, but not much indication that this is anything but vanity. Friday (talk) 04:21, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep he's notable and article asserts that. He has 5 published books and 2 albums, and been mentioned by various national media sources. Add NPOV or cleanup tag and rewrite. I might try to rewrite if no one else does during the AfD. --W.marsh 04:25, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
• If the TV appearances and whatnot are real and significant, I could change my mind. I just notice that the alleged shows he appeared on don't even have articles. If the show isn't significant, surely one particular guy who appeared on it isn't significant either? If he's been one of many participants in events that got media coverage, that's pretty different from him getting significant media coverage himself. Friday (talk) 04:28, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
  • I dunno about the 60 minutes reference (which would be pretty notable), but I did find this, he's been reviewed in the NY Times, LA Times, etc. it seems. --W.marsh 04:35, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. An Amazon search for Big Poppa E failed to come up with anything relevant see [2]. A Google search comes up with 777 results but nothing particularly helpful see [3] and Google News fails to come up with anything. I doubt that he quite meets our notability guidelines for poets. Capitalistroadster 05:19, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, per above. -R. fiend 15:39, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
• Weak keep I edited out most of the PoV and feel enough is left that the subject is not nn enough to delete FRS 17:35, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
• Weak keep as well. Found info on HBO's site for Def Poetry here.  RasputinAXP  talk * contribs 20:12, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per Capitalistroadster. —Cleared as filed. 12:41, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.