Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bibb and Yaz

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete as podcruft. — FREAK OF NUR_xTURE (TALK) 10:07, Dec. 25, 2005

[edit] Bibb and Yaz

advertising, not-notable podcast Dalbury^(Talk) 02:41, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

delete ad, nn  J\/\/estbrook       02:44, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

• Delete, very few podcasts are notable. I added the "importance" tag earlier, which the editor removed. User:Zoe|^(talk) 02:59, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
• There are always usually different types of example of what podcasts are, I don't think they are giving the defination of podcasts, they are defining themselves. Just as there may be an insert for The Tonight Show and it's history. I think there should be a section on the different genres of podcasts and the history of the hosts. - Perhaps in the defination of podcasts it could go into the different types that are out there. and allow podcasters to post about themselves and their show. We are going to miss a great history not with just Bibb and Yazz, but with all the shows that started it all. What was the very first podcast? Who did the first couple cast? Who did the first podcast over 2 hours. If someone did want to right a paper or article on podcasts the defination is all about feeds and internet jargin. We all know podcasts are about the people. 12.226.99.247 03:33, 15 December 2005 (UTC)Kelli~ (first edit by this anon user)
• so it is a question of importance??? and who is the judge of that??? yaz
  • The world at large is. Furthermore: The best way that we here at Wikipedia can tell that the world at large has adjudged something to be notable is the fact that multiple people in the world at large, who are independent of the subject, have deemed it notable enough that they have expended the time and effort to create and to publish non-trivial works of their own about it. So if you wish to demonstrate that your podcast is notable, point to where it has been reviewed in magazines, where it has been reported in newspapers, where it has had books written about it, where it has had a third party independently write a history of it, and so forth. Uncle G 20:05, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. I would need external references to independent sources discussing the significance of Bibb and Yaz to be convinced that this podcast is notable; if those references are added to the article, I'll reconsider my vote. To User:12.226.99.247: I agree that it would be worthwhile to research the origins of podcasting, but if you have verifiable information about that, you should discuss it at Talk:Podcasting, not under Bibb and Yaz. At this point, I can't tell whether Bibb and Yaz is a landmark in the history of podcasting or just another podcast, but I'm leaning toward the latter unless I find out otherwise. --Metropolitan90 07:00, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per nom, Zoe - nn podcast. Eusebeus 08:59, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, I don't think any podcasts are notable. — JIP | Talk 18:26, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
• Then don't go deleting stuff because you dislike it. I think all emo and hiphop and pop music is "not notable", but I'm not going to go deleting any page about/referring to it. Podcasting is becoming popular, and Wikipedia is going to have to start accepting podcasts into its databases. Plus Bibb and Yaz kick ass.--ElNacho 23:46, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment - second edit for ElNacho (talk · contribs) (after creating his user page) -- Dalbury^(Talk) 00:05, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
• What does that mean?--ElNacho 14:49, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment The closing admin may discount any recommendation made by a user account that appears to have been created for the purpose of influencing the discussion. Editors participating in a nomination for deletion discussion are urged to mark such comments as an aid to the closing admin. -- Dalbury^(Talk) 16:33, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

• Delete: Podcasting, like other DIY media (incl. blogs), is very difficult to assess, but number of weekly downloads might be some indication. However, it isn't a case of "is it popular" that, it seems to me, we need to address. There is one simple rule that will help us separate wheat and chaff: are other media discussing it? (And I mean other than, in this case, websites. In the case of magazines, I would ask for radio/tv or web discussion. In the case of a forum, I'd ask for magazines, radio/tv.) Are there newspapers, tv shows, magazines on paper, or radio programs discussing this podcast? If not, Wikipedia is not a secondary source of information. Geogre 18:24, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

• Keep: From what I have seen, the Bibb and Yaz podcast has been in existence for over a year (or close to it from what i have found). Many podcasts that I have seen in the past have no staying power as compared to this one. I see no need for public justification outside of the podcasting community if this is one of them who has been around since close to the begining.(61.26.193.182 13:11, 21 December 2005 (UTC))

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.