Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Betzefer

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This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Delete --Allen3 talk 20:45, July 22, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Betzefer

Unsure if band is notable or not (they are a group from Israel, supposedly), but their only release has come in 2005. Text is generally indicative of vanity, but I can't make a call on it. Can somebody please check the validity of this group? If not proven otherwise, the paucity of releases and meagre discography would call for a delete, I feel. jglc | t | c 16:05, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

  • Weak Keep - Tough call, no Allmusic page but 3,500 Google results for Betzefer "down low", among the results are interviews and reviews so at least some people find them notable, which is usually good enough for inclusion. I don't think they meet the criteria for WP:MUSIC, but that doesn't discount support for other pages, see Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Ampere (band). No big loss if it's deleted though, if they become more notable in the future a page can be created then. --TheMidnighters 17:53, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
Delete - After consideration, should go by the books regardless, doesn't pass WP:MUSIC, doesn't warrant inclusion yet. Sorry for the convoluted switching. --TheMidnighters 20:12, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
  • This band has just joined RoadRunner Records. If you check their website you should be able to find out more about them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.42.254.150 (talk • contribs) 18:24, 11 July 2005
Comment: many bands are signed. Few go anywhere. Also, regarding Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Ampere (band), it seems as though the reason Ampere was kept was both for their being signed, as well as their inclusion of a well-known musician on the lineup. I'm still not judging Betzefer either way, but it seems that they do not - and being signed, in itself, does not fulfill the criteria for WP:MUSIC. jglc | t | c 18:59, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
Well known musician? The name of this well known musician isn't present in either the Orchid (band) page or the Ampere (band) page, so how can he be well known if we don't even know his name. My point is simply that Ampere does not satisfy WP:MUSIC but will probably be kept, therefore, the fact that this band does not satisfy WP:MUSIC does not necessarily justify a deletion. Either way I don't really care if it's deleted or not, I just think deletions should be consistent. --TheMidnighters 19:20, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
My bad. I was under the impression, after skimming over Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Ampere (band) was that this was a reason for the supporters to say that the band should be kept. I agree with the deletions being consistent, leaning towards noninclusionism. jglc | t | c 19:24, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
Simply put, neither pass WP:MUSIC, neither should stay. --TheMidnighters 20:19, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
I am in strong agreement. jglc | t | c 20:19, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.